The Raymundo Show

Art is Life

• Ray Gonzalez • Season 4 • Episode 49

Share episode

“Art is not what you see, but what you make others see.” – Edgar Degas

Art gives our world character through the eyes of individuals who discovered a way to express what their souls possess. Beauty through creation exposes that passion the artist is capable of. On this episode Raymundo is joined by long time friend and  legendary artist 
Patrick Rembert ( King Pat ). They discuss life and the role art plays in it.

Special guest: Patrick Rembert ( King Pat
Website: https://aflydream.com/
IG: King_Pat

Follow The Raymundo Show:

Listen To The Raymundo Show:

  • Apple Podcast
  • Spotify
  • Google Podcast
  • AmazonMusic 
  • iHeartRadio 
  • and many more!!! 

To Donate: 

  • Cashapp: $theraymundoshow
  • Venmo: @theraymundoshow
  • PayPal: Mundo@theraymundoshow

Want more content 
www.patreon.com/theraymundoshow

Support the show

Year year, year, year, year. It's your host. Raimundo. Welcome to my show. Where we relate. Learn laugh. And try to get it together in the process. This is episode 49. Life is art. And it really is when you think about it. From the way you drive. From the way you work. From the way you lie. There's art to it, but y'all know how we do things before we get into that. Let's go let's go. And this quote of the day comes from Tom is crumb. I guess he was getting that bread. What would it be if you live each day? Each breath as a work of art in progress. Imagine that you are a masterpiece unfolding every second of every day. A work of art. Taking form. With every breath. Wow. Like, I feel like. I'm gonna need like some type of oxygen machine so I could keep breathing. How to use it. Well, the chances of you being born was pretty like all fucking balance. One way has one, 4 trillion, right? you're a child of. a creator that was able to create. Everything around us, including you. Including. Air, including weather. And then how you perceive everything in reflected back to the world. Kind of makes you who you are. So. Whatever you decide to do. To make something. Your craft or something that you do. something that you're doing on a regular basis, there's always going to be some type of. Art to it. But if you answer that. if you in. Creation is part of us so much. If you think about it. There was a need. And we created something for it. But with us individually. It's not that we need it. But when we create. We feel like. We're complete it. Like. I can't express a man. I feel like I'm in tune. With the world, God, myself. When I'm right in, when I'm recording. It's like, I don't see nothing, but what I'm doing. And then when I take a step back and listen to and watch. Is dope to see what was once in your mind, come to life. So, whether it's music, whether it's. Dancing with a Ruth's painting, drawing. Embrace it and indulge in it. You have you do something every day. That's what you are. If you paint every day. You you're a fucking painter. You're an artist. If you rap every day, you a rapper. So they keep that in mind, you'll need to win the wars and none of that for that to be true. Right. And the more you grow in and learning and observing. And reflecting and maturing all that. Comes out in your, in what you create. So. Make sure that things that. You're learning or you let in. Lambie a party. You are good things that you want the stick and let the bad things for, to themselves out. Cause you know, it's all about a balance yang and a yang. Before we get into this amazing episode, I wanted to share this great definition for art that I feel like you should hear. That R expresses the creator's imagination through conceptual ideas or technical skill. And it's dope because like I said, from driving. To a drawing. The dancing. There's some art in that bitch. Art is life.

Raymundo:

On this episode we talking about art and. To me, I'm gonna sound a little like Bruce Lee, but it's like water shit is formless. You can apply art to everything. I was driving, I was like, you know, I'm turning this wheel. It's fucking art. But I know a lot of my family members like that motherfucker can't drive Not true, not true. It's a New York myth. But yeah. Um, so this next guest been my friend for a long time, since I was 11 years. I've been seeing him do his art, do his clothing line, and just hustling three o'clock in the morning, four o'clock in the morning. You know what I'm saying? Trying to make his passion, His life, when you doing something you love to do is you never have to work again. He's on that road. So I felt there was no better person to have on this show to talk about art than the artists. King. Appreciate it. Appreciate it, bro. Appreciate it. Thank you. Bother me. Of course, of course.

Pat:

I changed my name to King Pat. It was a while ago. I remember my homeboy, he was like, he was like, yo, that sound cocky. Why would you call yourself a king? And I said, bro, didn't your mother raise you to be. Like we all supposed to be kings, and he took it like, oh, I, I, I ain't look at it like that. I was like, man, we all kings. Like, I don't look at myself like I'm above anybody. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're all great. I know it sound cheesy, but you know, it's real.

Raymundo:

But it, it is true though. Everybody got that greatness in them. They's just, not everybody either real, they don't realize it yet, or they haven't found what is it that made them great, but it's. Exactly. It is. The dominant and rough

Pat:

Yeah. You just gotta tap into it. You know what I'm saying?

Raymundo:

Yeah. It Look, I was 36

Malcom:

acutally 33 when I was like, yo, I turned on the microphone. I was like, hold on a second. Who the fuck is this guy,

Pat:

bro? Bro, you're super dope, man. Like I was watching your podcast. I mean, I was looking to see a podcast like, like just going to work and like I get your little inside jokes, you know what I'm saying? like a lot of people don't like I'm up there dying. Even the part, I think, uh, I forgot the name of the episode, but you was like, you can do it. Oh yeah, I'm up there dying, driving the.

Raymundo:

That was a classic. Yo, thank you, man. I feel like one day the world will appreciate what I'm trying to do here, man. But hearing stuff like that lets me know. I'm on the roll, man. No, you

Pat:

got it. And, and especially like, like I gotta give you your flowers. It's like we are living in this age of everybody wanna have a podcast, everybody can't do it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's true bro. That's true bro. You got it, man. Even from like promoting your joints and you did the, uh, the, the Everest.

Raymundo:

Oh, remember that shit

Pat:

I was dying

Raymundo:

like you boy, crazy

Pat:

one. The Everest got like, like, you got

Raymundo:

it man. You know what I'm saying? Thank you man. Thank you man. I ain't gonna feel like I, I always, so this season I like whoever I didn't know, whoever I knew that I have on the show is cuz your support. it is part of the show. Like, like if, if I didn't have your support, I don't, I don't know if I could be, you know what I'm saying? If I could keep it going the way I have, but words like that and all the people I had on the same thing, man, you part of the support squad, man. You know what I mean? For real man. Church coming soon. If you, if you was corny, I would probably like, I mean, it's cool, right? nah, but, but, but I was still big you up.

Pat:

It's cool. But nah, like, like, I literally like listened your shit, driving to work.

Raymundo:

Thank you man. Thank you yo. And it is true though. Like that's one thing I remember about you. Coolest dude ever. But you always make sure you get with a buck though. Always. Always, man. Like your right, your left hand little weak man. Don't go left. You can't go left. But the jump

Pat:

shot was crazy bro. The

Raymundo:

jump shot. You remember the jump bottles?

Pat:

Yeah. Gang shot was crazy man. I was more of, you know, speed like the point guard, real aggressive. But I knew you had the shot. You know what I'm.

Raymundo:

And you had, and you had the crossover and the point God vision. I was like, yeah, he's the kill man yo. But actually what we get into how we know each other. Mm-hmm. let him know what part of Brooklyn you from.

Pat:

Oh, bushwick. Thousand man. Bushwick.

Raymundo:

Bushwick. All day. All day. Everything, man. I remember,

Pat:

I remember even in junior high school, we used to write Bushwick all around notebooks. Bushwick everywhere. It was the light side and the dark

Raymundo:

side. Damn. We was dark side. Yeah, man. Yeah. Was crazy back then. we loved being from Bushwick, even before we was out of Bushwick, to realize how much we really loved.

Pat:

Bushwick was just crazy back in the day. Like I remember like gunshots on the corner like every other night. Bushwick in like 98 now. It was wild. Alright,

Raymundo:

alright. And it was, it was a regular thing, bro. You hear shots, you ain't even know if they was real shots or firecracker. somebody wildling out with the m a d you like, whatever Yeah, man. Yo, I had a memory and I didn't know if if it was you that was there, right. I feel like we were hanging out on El right? I think El mm-hmm. between mm-hmm. evergreen and Bushwick. And Bushwick. Yeah. Right. And we was hanging out in the front of a stoop and some dude was like, get away from the stoop. And we was like, man, get outta here man. And he came back with a gun and I was like, oh shit. We was like, what the fuck That was that you, you was there right? real stories all about that.

Pat:

Yo, it was me, you, Christine. I forgot you was there, bro. I haven't told that story in yet.

Raymundo:

Yo, I haven't thought about it.

Pat:

Yo, we were some real asshole kids, man. Yo. It was like, he was like, get away from my steps. And we was like, all right. And we just moved over a little bit. And then yo, and then, and then he went in the back and got the gun and came outside

Raymundo:

and nobody there was probably older than like 14 Yeah. That's Wow he really wasn't that tough cause he really had to pull out the hammer. Like, I forgot

Pat:

about that. That's wild. Oh shoot. Got me in tears, bro. I remember Kine ran across the street and he, he, I remember later I was like, yo, what was you doing? He was running and was like, this And I remember he saying, yo, if they were shooting, I could have dodged the bullet. Like,

Raymundo:

wow. Yeah, my son quiet. I, I follow him on, um, on gra on the Grammy shit. He's still Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, I forgot all about that man. Word man. And um, I remember, when I first met Pat, it was in Halsey. I was on my boy Heidi, and he let us play on this team and we was like a, a trio, like low key. Every time Mustard three played, we wilded out. Listen. Me and Heidi were like, yo, that's them Dominican boys. And you know what it was,

Pat:

I, I guess cause we didn't look tough and I was short, but we played hard man. Like

Raymundo:

for real, for real. I remember you had though handles though, like crossover. I think you was doing the step back before the step back was the step back. What I'm saying preach. Preach favor

Pat:

bro. Man, the shamgar was my move. I remember doing the, I remember doing the Shamgar so much. I I could have sworn I made it up. Like, for

Raymundo:

real? For Shamgar. Who? Yeah. Yeah.

Pat:

But all respect the shame guard. it was, again, it was me and Kine. Like we was like out there, man,

Raymundo:

Oh man. I, yo I can't wait to find out how you like, you know what I'm saying? Technique, but we definitely gonna get into that. I just wanted to, uh, let people know when they used to fuck with me. Like not only just in, in ball when they used to try to bully me, you know what I'm saying? Pat was there, stood up for. So, you know what I'm saying? I appreciate you from that time. I just meant, I, I had to let that be known. I'm like, yo, they try to bully me. Hell let yo suck it outta here. Leave me alone. Like, you know what I mean? I got he save you for some snuff. I'm like five, five. Nothing.

Pat:

Like, like what up

Raymundo:

Ready, bro. Ready? Alright, so now let's get into this art world. Man. I really love art man. I didn't realize that even what I was doing was art until like, I had to like, take a look back. But when did, like the art, when did it, because I, I ain't gonna front, I didn't know until we got into social media that you was into art. And, seeing you like progress. You just looks like you've been doing it for like a long time. So I don't know when it, when did it hit you that you love this?

Pat:

Um, probably when I got kicked outta college. Cause I went to a art school. I went to Pratt Institute, downtown Brooklyn. Cause after I graduated from Lane, it was like, yeah, after I graduated from Lane, I was like, I'm done. I'm good. And then my brother was like, what you mean you good? Like you not gonna go to college. So I was just like, my brother draws my whole family. they're all artistic, my sister, everybody. So they was like, you pretty good at drawing, don't you try it? So, Yeah. Uh, I end up getting acceptance isn't the DNA any man, listen, my grandmother used to draw, bro.

Raymundo:

That's fine. Like my,

Pat:

my uncles, everybody, man. But I looked at it like I'm seeing it all over my house. I hate my uncle paints and everything. I'm like, it is cool, but I, I don't got what they got. I went into school for computer animation and I didn't take it serious, but when I got kicked out, then it became from being a, a college student to the nine to five. And I was like, I don't want this. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, I think I was, and then I was like, all right. And then, yeah, like I went hard with it after that. And in the middle of that, I became, I started falling in love with it. You know what I'm saying? And I really

Raymundo:

started taking it serious. Is it true? Um, Pratt is, where is at when it comes to the ladies Yo, I used to pass shit. Boys be like, God damn.

Pat:

Prat has, has, has,

Raymundo:

Pratt is where it's at. That's all you got. Pratt is where it's at. Prat displays the story. Yeah. Oh, that's dope though. I didn't know you. Yo, computer animation, man. Well, I think that's dope cuz When you put a lot of shit in front of what you really want to do, it can get to a point that you forget or even lose sight of what you really want to do. Cuz you think, okay, damn, I gotta do real estate. Real estate make money. Oh, I gotta do insurance. Insurance. You know what I mean? But then it's like, yo, mm-hmm. I'm like, yo, I got so many different voices. I could have my own cartoon show and it'll be funny as fuck. But I, I never, it never hit me. I'm like, yo, I, I've been imitating voices since I was seven years old, probably before that. Mm-hmm. And it hit me like, yo, like this is it man. And it's dope. It's like, it is better late than never for you to have that realization, like, oh man and bro, for yo damn you started after college, I would imagine if you started when you was a kid. I did, but,

Pat:

but like I said, it was like, um, I used to doodle like in, in my, my, my sketch, uh, books or whatever. Um, but I never took it serious. Cause my brother was really good, my uncles, they were all crazy. And I was like, I don't got what y'all got. So it was like, I, like, I'm would play with it and then I end up going to college and, and like you said, like, like some people in high school, they knew that I used to draw whatever, but it was never like my passion, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So when I got kicked out, I was like, all right, I have to choose something. And I really, and the college life it's so different from high school, you know what I'm saying?

Raymundo:

like, yes, college

Pat:

is, is way different. And then they're like, well, if you don't want to do your work, Like, you have to take advantage of all the outlets in college.

Raymundo:

Like that's a fact. And you know, what's the thing about college? No one gives a fuck if you distracted or you do what you gotta do. It's not like in high school, you know that that teacher that give a fuck up, be like, Hey Ray, stop your bullshit. You're better than that. Mm-hmm. in college. They be like, all right, you paid motherfucker. I paying for this shit. Yeah, you paying for this

Pat:

you don't wanna come to class. You coming late. That's on

Raymundo:

you. Oh man. Yo, you remember what was like, did you look forward to art class? Man? I remember I had, I had this teacher named Miss man. She used to make us do the face paint. Yo, I used to always, like, I always loved art, but it didn't hit me cause I was so focused on other shit, you know what I mean? But you, did you remember your art class days? Yeah,

Pat:

my art class. Wait, uh, junior high school or high school?

Raymundo:

shit, I would say let's go early elementary. What, what elementary you went to?

Pat:

elementary. It was, uh, PS three 16. That was in, um, crown Heights, I think. Mm-hmm. crown Heights, Brooklyn, And then it was Halsey. I don't remember like, drawing classes in Halsey. No. Wait. Yes, I do, I do remember art classes. I remember I used to like make my own version of like, again, I hate to always go back to Brooklyn, but it was always like, you. Bro, always, man. It was like before, you know the, the Boondocks, right? Mm-hmm. I'm a big fan of the Boondocks. I remember Dragon Ball Z when Dragon Ball Z was, I wasn't a big Dragon Ball Z fan, but I was like, yo, I wanna see what a Dragon Ball Z character looks like, but from the Hood So I used to draw these characters that look like Dragon Ball Z, but with like braids or like a dag

Raymundo:

on that's fire.

Pat:

And like, and then years later, the Boondock, matter of fact, the Boondocks was the cartoon, but it didn't look like real street. It didn't look like, like Dragon Ball Z. Yeah. And then years later, the Boondocks came up with some shit that look way better than my old sketches.

Raymundo:

that's what I'm saying. Yo Patreon, if you have any of them old sketches, that's what, that's what you wanted to give the people That's fire. Or even just even drawing it to see it. Cuz I ha I, I haven't seen anybody really try to duplicate that, so that'll be dope just to, they used to draw shit like this, you know what I mean? Think it be dope. That's wild. Like in the boon. I, I'm glad I, I started listen, watching that shit when I was already of age because if I was like young listening to that shit, that shit would've went over my head. They be saying some real shit. got the message. Yeah, yeah. Listen, grandpa, last time.

Pat:

Well y'all, as a Boondocks fan, I'm making my own version of The Boondocks cause I miss it. I miss it so much. And the climate that we're in today, politics, hip hop, all of this shit that's going on, Trump. Mm-hmm. And I feel like it's a window for the boondocks right now. And Magda called Jones. They're just not agreeing with each other. So I said I'm gonna make my own version of the Boondocks. I'm gonna make a fan ma version. I got four episodes written, finished. Yo, I could do the

Raymundo:

grandfather part. I could be like, Hey, yo, lemme tell you something.

Pat:

But that, the only reason I don't work a full-time cause it's not making me no money, but I, I feel like it's, it,

Raymundo:

it's, it's super dope, man. Yo, lemme tell you something with an idea or you need this to a, if you already got the vision and you see it, if you see it come to life in your mind, bro, it's all, it's just all action from there and setting it up. you ain't even gotta start it on something like, you don't have to have the whole thing, but you could be like, all right, what's season one gonna be about? You know what I'm saying? And then Cause think about, you know, how think about projects that we take too long to come out. God forbid something happens, that shit is gonna stay with us. So let's get that shit out. Even I'm even, I'm not even talking to you too, I'm talking, I'm talking to me like Deadass, you know how many, you know how many skits I got 40 skits written down that I haven't done I dream this plays serious. I

Pat:

believe you. I believe you, man. Yo, we're both creatives, man. I believe you, man. And then the domestic part is when you don't do it and then you see somebody else do it, you be like,

Raymundo:

yo, they stole my shit. No, no. This is it. This is the sound. No, no, no, no. That's how I feel when I see some yo the, so I was gonna do, the most interesting man on earth, right? The the Sakis commercial. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's getting mad reels. And I've had a skit written. I was gonna do Muno guy, the most interesting guy in the world. I had the, the gray wig. With the gray beard. I was about to, yeah. Yo, I was, I'm still gonna do it. Fuck that. I'm still doing it. do it man.

Pat:

You do it. Even if they'd be like, yo, you stole this stuff. Like, yo, I been had this idea in the cup

Raymundo:

They do it man. Be like, look, it's, it's in my Apple notes. It says the date Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pat:

Gotta do it. Man.

Raymundo:

when I was younger I used to draw yo and it is crazy. I used to love drawing bro. Like I really did. It just always got the yo your shit is trash, man. I used to draw a Sonic Oh damn. Mask fucking big ass M's. That's all you did? Two s wait. Oh yeah. A big ass M two circles. I said,

Pat:

kid, they said your shit was trash yo

Raymundo:

They were like, yo son don't draw no more. I'm like, all right. So, you know what I'm saying? When you a kid, bro, what they tell you is so crucial cuz they'll stay with you. Mm-hmm. Like sometimes I want to get a canvas and just fucking paint to, in my head it feels therapeutic and I haven't even really done, I've done it a couple times and it was great. I did the drinking paint shit, but, oh man. I got something for you. You remember Kanye? Kanye, Kanye? What? Yeah. I think he was on damn, you know, behind the music, not behind the music. It was like they were showing a documentary of him and he color. how he sees the beats. Mm-hmm. I've never seen that. You remember that? No, no, no. I I know he said he used to paint. I gotta put that. So he has a, he has a picture and he's going explaining that shit with the art though. It was like my, that's crazy, right? I don't, yeah. That's what I'm saying. art is fire. Cuz it speaks to you like the artist speaks to you and then, and he doesn't have to be there. You know what I'm saying? It's like when you a artist, you like a artist, uh, van Trius and shit, right? Mm-hmm. You hear like, man, this is the, you know, this is what I feel about this, this is my perspective of this. This is how I see the world.

Pat:

and phar real. You're talking about therapeutic. I'm gonna give you a little, little short story. like I said, I used to draw computer animation, but I never painted. I had a ex-girlfriend that passed away, uh, years ago. And this was like, I still have, thank you. I, I still had love for it, but we weren't together. Mm-hmm. So I was in Florida, she was in New York, and my daughter's mother, she was maybe about eight, nine months, whatever, about to give birth. But out of respect, you know, I, I couldn't still. My ex-girlfriend, but we tried to communicate as we're still checking on whole wellbeing. She had lupus. Oh damn. So she passed away and I was messed up. and I started painting and that was like my therapy cause it was still like a friend that I lost, you know what I'm saying? Yeah,

Raymundo:

yeah.

Pat:

Man. So it became therapy like, like it, it got my mind off of it, you know what

Raymundo:

I'm saying? That's wild man. Cuz a lot of, um, art has healing capabilities. Yeah. That, you know what I mean? From the colors to the paintbrush. Mm-hmm. the, the mine paintbrush canvas connection. Right. Like mm-hmm. something about it. But that's deep man. but we can't stop the fucked up shit from happening. But there is a way to, create something good out of it. You know what I'm saying? So it was fucked up. But it led, it led you to painting. Right? Like I know like certain things like I wish my kids could have met my mother, but the way God had had, God had it planned. My mother was, that was supposed to happen. but mm-hmm. I ended up having my kids and it's like the biggest blessing in the world, and all the things that happened led me to find my voice and it hit me like, yo, you talking about, yo bro, you a voice. Fuck is you talking about? Say what? What you talking about? You know what I mean? Why you talking about work? Who talk about work? A job? Ain't nothing but work. there you go. Oh man. No, that, that's, so then, um, as you, so you used it as a, a form of mental health. Mm-hmm. pretty much. No, would you say painting has kept you balanced, have kept you like mentally good?

Pat:

it's a little bit of everything. even basketball. Here's something that, that you didn't know. I'm gonna say a little bit, I don't want to bash my family too much, my family was a little hard on me when I was younger. Like my uncle, he would have times where he would like, you know, yell and screaming, but it was like kind of over the top. So I remember, going to the basketball court, and like taking my frustration out on the court. I remember days where they was like, yo, pat, yo, it's just a game, bro. And I'm like, nah, he fouled me. He fouled me, and I'm ready to fight. I mean, like big dudes, I'm ready to fight. And, and as I got older, I realized I would take my anger out on the guys that I had for my uncle. Yeah. and then it became like, I noticed that I was, I was always ready to fight, bro. And then I told myself, I don't want to keep me, I don't want anybody afraid of me. You know what I'm saying? oh, here's another story. damn, I forgot his name. It was like you other guys that I looked at as like my little brothers. You know what I'm saying? And thanks.

Raymundo:

It was, you're definitely big bro. Yeah, man. Like,

Pat:

I always had love, even though I'm like a couple years older than y'all at like, two, three years maybe. Right? Well, you, you 80, 84.

Raymundo:

80, yeah. Two. Yeah. I'm 86. So two. Yeah. Yeah.

Pat:

And it was like, um, I wish I remember his name, but I remember, uh, teaching'em how to play ball. Right. And they like all, I'm teaching'em how to use their left hand, making a left hand layup. Then I'm like, all right, I'm about to go play a game. They on the side. And I remember about to get into a fight and excuse my language, but I remember. Dude following me. And my favorite line was, you think I'm pussy? You gonna

Raymundo:

pussy That was everybody that was like, where pus? I still say that shit. I'm like, where? I'm like, damn pussy

Pat:

But yo, the, the reality check was when I turned around and I seen the two kids, they looked at me like, yo, I, I don't know this side of pat. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I, I felt embarrassed. Like I never wanted people to be afraid of me. They're like, yo, this little nigga crazy. Like he's special ed. He cool

Raymundo:

but they ain't even know you was going through some shit at home.

Pat:

Not at all. It, it's, it's more to my, to my life as a child. But the most important part is realizing it and trying to be in one with it. You know what I'm saying? And realize that you can't change the past.

Raymundo:

Exactly. That's, that's important to get through trauma. Mm-hmm.

Pat:

like, we had mental health issues. Didn't even know the term mental health yo, all of us.

Raymundo:

Yeah. Saying

Pat:

living in this neighborhood and crime and, and gangs and shootings and all of this crap. Like, but, but it came to a point where basketball, instead of being angry, it started bringing me peace.

Raymundo:

Yeah. Word.

Pat:

My, my bad. I didn't mean that to make it feel a long answer, but

Raymundo:

nah, nah, nah bro. Your shit, your, I ain't gonna front your art is in your vocabulary. Like the shit you saying. I'm like, I'm seeing the art. I'm like seeing the story behind it as you telling this shit. I remember your uncle being like, tough on you, you know what I mean? Like, I remember you even, you know what I'm saying? Even younger vendors than me, like, I'm sick of this nigga, like you know what I mean? Like, you know, when you younger. But it is so true, bro. Like mental health wasn't a thing. We didn't have, you know, we had, again, we have exci, we had encyclopedias and nobody was reading them big ass shits, So I wasn't gonna, I wasn't gonna, let's look at how you get better mentally on this big ass encyclopedia as a fact. Yo, do you remember Champ? You said Champ.

Pat:

Do you remember chant from 45? Damn, it was Champ and it was the other dude, uh, skinny Spanish guy.

Raymundo:

They were like, you not talking about play the game.

Pat:

Yo, bro. We used to play, we used to play Utah. Every time we got a point he was like 35, 35. 35. 40, 40. Shoot, five. Shoot. Yo, he had a crazy jump shot, bro. Yo,

Raymundo:

yo, yo.

Pat:

He was insane, dude.

Raymundo:

I forgot he used to stink. He was, I forgot he was homeless. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was nice though. But he could play man. He could play, I mean, I mean he had a, he had a defense. He had an advantage offensively. Cuz ain't nobody, nobody was trying to guard up Yeah,

Pat:

I remember playing defense on him and he's trying to post me up and I'm, I'm short, so I put my arm on his back and my whole forearm stinked Yo. But, but

Raymundo:

yo bro, for real,

Pat:

from a, a basketball point of view, a lot of people laughed at'em. But I'm looking at like, yo, he's fucking nice. And I, I, I wanted that challenge to actually try to play deepest on him, but he just,

Raymundo:

Yeah, it's tough. It's tough, man. tough. You gotta fucking have a cold. You gotta have that cold that day. A fucking, when you can't smell shit. The only way he be like, yo, why, why he's better today? He's like, I can't smell you. Oh, man. Uh, dope. You said Dragon Ball. You said you tried to draw in Hood Dragon Ball Z. What, when you started seeing that, you started getting nice, what other things you started like painting and drawing shit?

Pat:

like going in and outta everything. Um, dragon Ball z I got, oh, I had my own version of my cartoon and I think I changed my name to like Peter or whatever, and I had like the, um, I come from bed. It don't, I like little in the background. Had my own version of, and it was like Bushwick all over the cartoon.

Raymundo:

Of course, of course. Yeah. Yeah. That's next. That's next. Yeah, we had a Netflix movie out that probably nobody knows about You saw that shit on Netflix. Bushwick with Batista. Oh,

Pat:

yeah, yeah. That was like the, the, the apocalypse or something

Raymundo:

like, Bro, I, I couldn't get past the five minutes. I tried to watch it cuz it said Bushwick. I was like, this some bullshit, this some bullshit. Say Bushwick. I watched it. It wasn't that bad. Nah, I didn't see or something right. I don't know, bro. I I didn't get that far. I was just like, nah. I was like, I'm done. You

Pat:

said, nah, this

Raymundo:

ain't Bushwick, man. I'm like, nah, but he, I'm like nobody from Bushwick in the movie. If my son, uh, aunt was there, I would've probably been like, all right, let me see what it's like. I got a little Bushwick, I

Pat:

got a little Bushwick story. I know people hate six nine but I remember when six nine first, when six nine first came out and he was, he sounded like Onyx and I looked past the rainbow shit. I was like, yo do sound like kind of tough. His voice, he sounds like, federal star, sticky fan. He sound like he's a part of Onyx. Like that that raspy. Yeah. And then the way he was talking True, I said the way he used to talk, I said, yo, I think he's from Bushwick before I even knew he was from Bushwick. And then I was like, I, I don't know if I, I, do you remember him being in Bushwick? Because we, the Bushwick is kind of small. Like we knew

Raymundo:

everybody. Yo, if I did, if you seen the way he looked before he was six nine, I would've just been like Herb if I got Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

Pat:

seen him before he was six nine and I was

Raymundo:

like, I think we knew this little. I, I'm gonna be honest, if I did, I'd try my best to block it out.

Pat:

But yeah, but that little

Raymundo:

small yo, I ain't gonna, I ain't even like him. Like, at first I was like, man, fuck this color, head ass. You know what I mean? And then they were like, oh, he's from Bushwick. I was like, he's from where? I said, oh, okay. Gotta show support. Yo, I literally stopped talking shit about him at that day. Same here. And then he make me look bad by doing the shit that he did, the snitching and all that. Yeah. And he living his best life. Like, I'm seeing him on the highway with, with girls wilding out. Like, you know what I mean? like, that's not even safe, bro.

Pat:

You don't know this, I rap.

Raymundo:

Nah. Huh? I rap

Pat:

like, like I, I've been rap for a minute, but I don't tell nobody like I've been writing poetry, bro. Everybody

Raymundo:

in Brooklyn rap. So it's like, yeah. It's like, okay, welcome. Join the list. Like,

Pat:

and I'm like, poetry too. So it's just like, uh, everybody in Brooklyn right next.

Raymundo:

Oh, that's dope. You be, you be hearing my bars at the end of the episodes, I'll be having some

Pat:

fucking No, no, no. I gotta check, I gotta, I gotta check it out.

Raymundo:

I gotta change the placement cuz usually I put like the shit where you hit me up. Right. And then I threw like, uh, Raymundo's final say, which I had the Brooklyn. Oh, actually I that, yeah, yeah. Oh. For, for dramatic purposes. You know, we gotta show support for the bro. You know what I'm saying? Ok. Okay. Okay.

Pat:

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I got you. I got you right in. Now. Hold on,

Raymundo:

I already got it. Queue up. Gotta show support. Gotta show support. We, we gonna get to the clothing brand, which, make sure yo a fly dream ate that. It'll be in the show notes. Of course, of course. Yeah. You know what's crazy when you think of shit and you like, I ain't gonna do that shit. And then it happens. You like, yeah, I did that shit I was like, for dramatic purposes. I thought of that lying and everything. You reaction that? man, actually before we get into the clothing line, let's get more into the, the art part. Um, when did you realize you went through something, your fa it's in your family. You, you're starting to put things together when you realize like, yo, I could eat off this, this can feed my fridge if I do the right moves.

Pat:

I had a, I had a friend that put me on this Facebook page. I, I told this story a few times to my other friend. I had this friend that said, they seen that I paint. Uh, remember I told you my, um, ex-girlfriend passed away. I started painting just to get me. Uh, just get my head right. I painted a j Cole and she said, um, you need to put this on this Facebook page called Black Artist Connected. And I was like, yeah, whatever, whatever. And then it was one day I put it up, I posted it. No, no, I, I added myself to the group and I posted it and I went to sleep. I woke up, I had to use the bathroom and the, I, I checked my notifications and I had like a hundred lights on it. And I'm like, oh shit. Like I'm not used to a hundred. I, you know, my pictures get like 20, 30. I had like a hundred. I went back to sleep. I woke up in the morning. It had like, like 2000 lights on it and like, like, uh, 30 shares. I checked my inbox and it was people asking for the J Cole. I didn't even have the J Cole. I sold it to one of my friends. That's, wow. I got all these people in my inbox asking for the j Cole. I didn't even put a price on it. I just said, what do y'all think? all these people in my inbox asked for me, uh, about 2000 likes. And even like the next day after that, I think the highest it went up to was like 5,000 likes and a whole bunch of sheds. And I was like, wait a minute. I think I need to paint more. And I painted another j Cole. And I started hitting these people back maybe like a week later. I think during that, that period I sold maybe about 15 J Coles, and I'm painting the same j Cole and some of the people I was hitting, some of the people I was hitting back, they were like, nah, I don't got the money right now, bro. I went in the comments and people were saying like, uh, I give you 300 right now. And then somebody was like, yo, I'll give you three 50. They was bidding off my painting while I was asleep.

Raymundo:

That must've felt great, bro. It was a light bulb, like, oh shit, ding, like, yeah, yeah, that's fine. Again, again, I,

Pat:

I was doing it just for like, like therapy, you know what I'm saying? So that one page, that black artist connected that, that art group on Facebook. That's why I got all my customers, my Facebook friends, like, it's, it's almost 5,000. You can't go past 5,000 people on Facebook unless you're like a, a certain page, but a personal page. I've reached a max so many times and people probably deleted me, but after that I stopped posting my stupid videos,

Raymundo:

Uhhuh, Cause I was like, I

Pat:

don't, yeah, I was like, I don't want them going my page see me dancing with a Afro and go, I don't know about this guy So I started like, it, it was a light bulb man, and I was like, I, I think I could do this for a minute.

Raymundo:

yo. Thank God for j Cole. One of the nicest lyricists. And I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna be honest. I don't wanna like, I don't care for the fame, bro. Like, especially seeing what fame comes with. I just want success and respect. And j Cole is like the perfect career. So he's not really in the mainstream, but he's mainstream talent. He has his own following, you know what I mean? So like, when he do shit, he knows he has, he's gonna go platinum cuz his following is always gonna Support him. Mm-hmm. So if this, anybody, I would like to follow my career, like podcast career, is that like, I don't, again, would it be great to be a movie star and a podcast star? Yeah. It'll be dope. But I, yo I don't know. Like, I'd rather just have success where I, I know I could have the freedom to take care of my family with doing what I love. You know what I'm saying? when I was younger, I wanted to be like Derrick Gah, you know what I'm saying? He had all the girls and he was balling, you know what I'm saying? GDA was man, and then he gets some beautiful wife and then two beautiful kids and owns fucking MLB teams. Like, come on, how, how, how Come on G

Pat:

was the man. I know you remember that. Yankee squad, Paul O'Neal, gla,

Raymundo:

wait, Paul O'Neal. Tina Martinez. Bernie Williams. Yeah. David Cone. David Wells. I was a barro. I was a fucking Yankee. I'm still a Yankee fan, but not like when I was younger. Yeah, that's

Pat:

when the Yankees was the Yankees man. Didn't they have like a Threepeat or something like that?

Raymundo:

Yeah, they had, I think they had a two or two or three peak. Yeah. No, they did. From 2000. Wait, they won 96 then the Marlins won 97. They won 98, 99. 2000 fire. Man, I fucking, you know when I stopped taking sports serious, when we lost to the diamond backs in the seventh ending and I fucking cried. And, and the worst one, what's worse that I'm living in Massachusetts where like I was traumatized cuz Right. Knife inning. Two outs. Mariano Varek the best fucking closer in the game and fucking, what's his name? David Ortiz. My Dominican brother. One distributed and hit Bombs Bond and another one hit a my, he was like a home man killer, right? Yeah. Man. Yo Yankees had him old Yo Yankees. They, they were the first team to come back from a zero three deficit bro in history. on the Yankees to the best picture hurt. I, I know it hurt. Oh man. All right, so you started seeing your art pick up. You getting low now you like, Aw, damn, all I gotta do is scale this now. So then you start adding. Fly dream. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Yes. Oh, be in every corner by like 2030. You heard Yeah. Or every website. Talk about it, bro.

Pat:

Talk about

Raymundo:

it So how, how did that come together?

Pat:

a fly dream has been something I actually been saying, it's crazy how we was just talking about how like, just reflecting on life and, and you can't change the past. I remember saying, I'm gonna just break it down a little bit. When I was young, I was in foster care. Mm-hmm. and that's why I was living with my uncle, my mother, she wasn't fit to take care of us. So I was in foster care. And then my uncle, my grandmother adopted us. So it was a bunch of kids. My grand, my grandmother had about 12 kids, a whole bunch of cousins. And I always felt like I wasn't treated fair. Like I, I, I love my family, but like years ago, it was a mess. It was good times, but it was a mess also. I remember being about 13 and I was like, I'm a fly. I'm gonna fly one day. I was like, I was trying to be like a, a, a little philosopher. I was like, um, I'm not gonna, cause you gotta crawl before you walk. I'm not gonna walk. I'm gonna just fly I'm staying that since I was like 13. So it was always fly, fly. So I changed that when I got older, I said a fly. So that's always been my vision since a kid. I said, I don't know what I'm gonna create, but I'm gonna create something. Is

Raymundo:

that story on the website? No. I need to, I need to put that out, bro. If I, and let's say I didn't know you and I wasn't gonna buy this shirt. I'm like, man, ma'am, I don't know about this shirt. And I read that story. I'm like, yo, I'm buying the fucking shirt. Yo. Actually, honey, do you want a extra shirt? Enlarge large, an extra small? Please.

Pat:

We appreciate that, man. We, we all got that story, man. We come from, you know, we come from that, you know, not the best times, but you go only look forward. So I was like, I have to fly. So a fly dream. That's

Raymundo:

fine bro. That should make me want to cry, bro. Basketball, that shit is like That shit is beat. That was real, man. Yeah. Yo, I'm telling you man, you like a fucking, I don't think you realize it, but yeah. You two years older than me by years. But you got a philosopher mindset, bro. You always been way more, I thought you were like six years older than me, but just off your maturity, like you can see it like, yes sir. A lot of people will take what they went through and use it as an excuse of why they can't move forward. Mm-hmm. And you're able to accept it, become one with it, which is the only way, by the way, to really be free from it. Mm-hmm. like, you can't make it unhappy, like you said, and all you could do is let it, you know, let it be part. It's always gonna be there, but it won't affect you as much. Cause sometimes resistance brings it to you more. Yeah. So when you let it flow, let it be, it can only affect, it can only affect you so much. So you have that way of thinking, man. It's like you want some confusion, shit, but hope you don't confuse too many people out here. Yep. Mm-hmm. No,

Pat:

that, that, that's dope, bro. I, I had a friend tell me I had a friend tell me I had a friend tell me not too long ago, she said, when you, when you heal the inner child, you heal yourself

Raymundo:

today. Hold up. Who, who's that friend? Can we, can we give them a her?

Pat:

Her name is Fifi. Wrights.

Malcom:

She aint wrong I just posted her not too long ago. She's the director. A singer.

Raymundo:

The girl is man, like Fifi yo script right now. Fifi you doing your thing and let me use this time to express this, especially our generation. We like to talk about how we so tough or how we're tougher than the next generation. But this generation got one thing that they know what mental health is and there's information to they, they know what they can do. They can know where it starts from. We didn't know that our emotional issues that we didn't resolve was gonna come on the journey with us to adulthood, right? Yes. And and that's something that is like, it's crazy cuz you can see it in someone's conversation and the way they express themselves. Even even in art, you could tell somebody's going through some shit from what their perception picked up and what it reflected on in the canvas. You know what I mean? Like mm-hmm. my for it just, it was, I think that was important for you to say that, man, yo, your inner inner child gotta be healed for your what? For you to

Pat:

be healed today.

Raymundo:

Yo, that's going on. That's, I

Pat:

have to, I, I just find the exact words, but that's pretty much

Raymundo:

what she said. Okay. That's definitely, that's a quote. And if she didn't, the one that she's gonna get credit for it, even if she's made it up or not. So,

Pat:

I'm, I'm gonna send it to you. I'm, I'm gonna say you the exact quote, but it's pretty dope, man. And, um, bro, when she, she said that because I called her, bro, I had, I just got chills. I have a video online when, when I was a kid, my mother passed away when I was 17. My father passed away when I was like four or five. So somewhere around there. But I have a video. I'm pretty sure that I have a video where we was in Prospect Park in Brooklyn. And my mother's there, my father's sleeping. My whole family. It's, it's good times. My grandmother, grandfather, like family, family back in the day. So it's this video where I run up to the camera and I'm smiling and I'm teasing super hard, and I look super happy, man. But then maybe like a year or two later, my father died. My mother, she was on drugs. We went into foster care, like literally like the next year after that, the year or two. So it went from all his family happy times to like, destruction. So that's Wow. I think I had that dream earlier this year. I seen that video a thousand times, bro. But I had, I took a walk in the park and I'm walking, I'm listening, I think it was like the, the Kanye Gospel album, and I was like, let me check this gospel album out. So I'm listening to, and Kanye had this chant. It was like he saved me it, something like that. And it's a chant. And I'm, bro, I'm walking and I see a tree. And the tree, it reminded me of the video and me running up to the camera. And in my mind, I visualize my adult self bending down and hugging the smaller version of me and saying it's gonna be okay. That's

Raymundo:

fire. Bro,

Pat:

I started crying like, like I'm, I'm looking at nobody's in the park. I'm up there crying like, like, what the hell just happened? So that shit just,

it

Raymundo:

just popped up in your

Pat:

head? Yeah. Like, like, like I, I went for like a walk in the morning and then I see the tree, and then in my mind I'm visualizing that video of me running up and I went down to hug myself and I said, it's gonna be okay. And I'm crying real hard tears.

Raymundo:

That's artist shit. I stay having moments like that. Fucking crying outta nowhere, bro. That's the artist's

Pat:

connection. But yo, I, I called my homegirl Fifi and she said, you had a revelation. She said, when you held the inner child, you held the adult version of you. And I said, how? I

Raymundo:

said, wow and everything just connected So I write poetry and sometimes nice. I, I think of um, rhythm, like little rhythm, like little, little songs, right? That I'm like, yo, if I can write this song, I could probably make it, you know what I'm saying? Make a hit. Cuz I sometimes I get those, you know, the melodies. The melodies. I record them.

Pat:

Okay, nice.

Raymundo:

But, but sometimes yo, I, I should do that one time. I, so, alright on my last season, On my first season, I wrote a song that I wrote for this girl to sing. So I wrote it for her, for her to sing, but I had to sing it to her how I wanted her to sing it, right? Mm-hmm. dance. I was like, um, I've been through the fire. You wait. How, how it go?

Malcom:

what the fucj was that

Pat:

I'm Bro. Drop it, man. Drop it.

Raymundo:

I'm gonna get somebody, I'm gonna finish the song and get somebody to sing it. She, she even was like, yo Rain, okay, I was like, yeah, hello.

Pat:

And they, they probably look at you like, man, you, you, you a podcast or, or you such and such. You don't do that. Like, yo, I got skills. And, and I say that too, bro. Cause we only have one life. You don't wanna be 80 years old saying, you know, I could have been writing songs like, don't do it now while you can, you know what I'm saying? Rap, put out an album, do whatever while you

Raymundo:

can't. yo Don't make, don't make, don't make Bring Precise back. Your rap Correct bro. What was your rap name? What was your rap name?

Pat:

I remember I used to tell people my, my rap name was Shorty.

Raymundo:

Shorty Red But it was already, I knew it was gonna be yo, why? I knew it was gonna be something with red bro. I was like silent with red. I bet you It was,

Pat:

it was Shorty Red, but it was already a rapper named Shorty Red. So I was just like, I don't know, it's going be Pat. But I was, in my mind, I told like two or three people with Shorty Red. Shorty Red, right?

Raymundo:

Shorty Red Yeah. Yo, the names man. Precise. And then there was a DJ named dj. Huh? How, how did you come up with that? Okay, so my role model, the people that I try to rap after was fabulous in Cassidy. So I'm like, I'm like, I can't, all right. I can't be Mr. Fantastic cuz the dude from thing. Got it. So I wanted something flashy, you know what I mean? Like,

Pat:

And you was like,

Raymundo:

precise. That's it. I'm like, yo, precise. I'm nice I'm too shit right now. I'm trying to remember a line that I said, I used to always try to use it, you know, So I come, correct. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? But I used to rap gangster. I'm like, yo, I've never shot a gun until like I was in late in my thirties. Nigga, I

Pat:

bro. E everybody was lying in their raps,

Raymundo:

yo. And if they were telling the truth, they was locked up. I was like precise. Good to boys. We catch bodies like a safety net. I was like, yo, I never, I couldn't even catch somebody on the trust floor. What you talking about

Pat:

No, we, we, we all, we all did it. I don't think I did. it was kinda dark. It was like I was about to spit ball, spin. See, I was trapped in the system since I was eight. My mother had three kids on the shoulder but she couldn't carry the weight. Mm-hmm. no one Every day that I would think about my pops and how it wasn't here wasn't fit. It felt like it was trapped in the cage for of rage. That's why I put my pin to the page and my heart to the grave. We all just fall. Slaves feel me. The same pain and playing the same game. And it hurts. It hurts when your mom's got a shout from the church. Embarrassing. I hit'em. Niggas in the back laughing and I know how it feels to wake up. Fucked up. Embarrassed without parents permanent brain damage. You don't know what they can do to you. Ray damn. Who Your faith go cast spitting his face and tell him why, why my mommy ain't here and why my daddy's going in the sun can never see clear. I fear every second when I tear, cuz suicidal voices in my ear. Oof. But you can't help to help us and kill himself with selfish. The devil's on my mind as God is getting jealous cuz one of his owners is getting grown and realizing the real. And how does it feel to hit rock bottom when you starving? He ain't got no fucking mail.

Raymundo:

Yo. Thank you for joining us on the REO show. You shut it down. Thank you everybody. Whoa. So my, my broke out bars. He can paint, he can ball clothing line. You really could fly bars. Yo, you flying

Pat:

kid. Yo bro. I appreciate you man. Thank you man.

The equity. More Mundo after this commercial break. Was good. Yeah. I'm proud and happy to announce that. All three Patrion tears is up. Each with its own. Per can benefit. You want more moon? No, you get more mono. virtual version. I tried to be a little bit reserved. You know, on the regular platforms. But each. T it puts you more in depth. With who I am and where I'm at to go. So. Sign up to the show. Go to www.patrion.com. A forward slash the Raimundo show. Sign up is pretty easy. yeah. And I'll see you there don't just meet me there. Greet me So Snoop dog But anyway back to the show

Raymundo:

Oh man. Yo, that's great. Um, now tell us about your art shows and I'm, yo lemme tell you something, you had'em when I already had moved out in New York. Cause if I was in New York, you know, I support you. Like one of the reasons I got you here. Not only cuz you my brother, but I, I almost, I know you're gonna make it a hundred percent and I want you to be like, yo, this is one of the first podcasts I was in before I became a artist billionaire, while still being alive. Appreciate because artists, you know, they get paid paid when they, when they go, we want to be the best artist of life.

Pat:

Yeah, yeah, definitely, bro. I appreciate you, man.

Raymundo:

Course, course man. Always. I ain't see you in mad years and, and I don't feel like I didn't see you for years. That's, that's the real friendships.

Pat:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So look like when you link and it feel like you never missed a step, you know what I'm saying? Yo

Raymundo:

bro, that shit is real. So far. Everybody on the, that I had here so far is the same thing. Like my boy Ryan was on here. Mm-hmm. And he's in the, he's in like, in the, like, he was like behind the scenes and like on snl shit like that. I ain't seen him. Yeah. I ain't seen him for years, bro. As soon as we start talking, it's like we, I I ain't see since I was like in my twenties and I'm talking to him like, I saw him yesterday, bro. Like, mm-hmm. So like, that's

Pat:

you, you know what? Its too, bro. you always gave off like good energy, you know what I'm saying? Like, knowing how people, knowing how to make people laugh and being positive, man. Like that's just dope energy to be around, you know what I'm saying? Like, like for

Raymundo:

real. That's a fact. And you know what's crazy that we both got, you know, in our past we got some traumas. I mm-hmm. my shit's so bad. I haven't even been even ready to speak about it, but you know what I'm saying? Uh, us going through that and still being able to. Live life and be who we are, even though what we went through didn't define us. That's powerful man. And I hope that that message, touches anybody now,

Malcom:

ayo touches probably the wrong word. Just, you know, affects anybody in the best way possible. Mm-hmm. And leave it up to me to have some dope shit and then laugh about it. but yeah. Tell us about the

Pat:

art show. I want my boss wanna touch on the last part. Yeah, yeah, of course. Course. Um, I, I used to have a short fuse and I, I was angry, man. I used to punch walls, bro. I was mad. I was mad at the world. That's why when I see like the transition or just growth now, like I talk to God way more man. And, and I didn't realize why DMX was my favorite artist, man. Actually talk his talk. I'm the biggest DMX fan, bro. I'm not gonna get on that. But I, I cried for like a week. I'm talking about like, my eyes were like

Raymundo:

puffy. Nah, I cried. I cried a couple days. Me and my girl cried for a couple days and Kobe too. When Kobe died and DMX died, I literally had to go take a walk like that. Yeah.

Pat:

But, but X was my guy, man,

Raymundo:

bro. And speaking my fault artist. Now you good artist talking about artist. His art was, he was him and he never hid shit from. you know what I'm saying? So anyway, saying

Pat:

Exactly. Um, X used to pray, he used to talk his gangster shit, but at the end of the album he always said a prayer and he prayed for everybody. You know what I'm saying? So X was the man and, and and that's how I feel like I used to be so angry and now I'll be with my homies or whatever and I be like, talk to God. Pray more. Pray more. I'm wearing my, my sweaters and say, pray on it. Cuz I really have to get my mindset on everything that's gonna get better. You know what I'm saying? Talk to God more. It, it is something better out there for you. and I remember wearing my, my sweater at work and I don't ever knock any other religions, whether you believe in Jesus Buddha, anybody pray, you know what I'm saying? Whatever gets you through the storm, pray. And one of my coworkers said, I like that just because it says pray. It doesn't say to who, but it just says

Raymundo:

pray. Exactly. Yeah. So, cause at the end of the day, we all praying to a higher power. Yes. You know, it would, something God was here before us, regardless, it just changes the name and changes around the story. But the same concept. We believe in what we've never seen heard, but we feel it like the win. We feel it like feelings, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes you feel a certain way you can't explain it and it. It's a bigger, you know, it has to be something part of the universe. Cause we all, we all connected regardless of, you know, the world tries to divide us with race, religion, uh, yes. Politics. But the only true one is God. And God is love. Love is God. Yes. Yeah. And this universal. So regardless, you can't get mad at that. Come on, don't be mad, come on. It's all spiritual. It's all good intentions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause, cause I'm, I'm honest about it. I, I, me personally, I'm not religious, but I believe in God and the way I pray and communicate to God where I felt closest, where I've cried and meditation is medi meditating. Yeah. I'm to sometimes to hear God, you gotta, you need silence. Mm-hmm. Because he's not gonna tell you, because it's silent, but you'll be able to pay attention when there's no noise. You know what I mean? that's what it's to me. So I've never felt Yeah. Yeah. More connected. So I feel like every time I don't meditate, I'm not trying to be close to God, which is why would you even try to do that? Like, that's why mm-hmm. you know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Nah. I, I definitely tell you man. Oh God is the key. No. You know why I say that? Damn. You remember my brother Randy, my little brother Randy? Yeah. He used to play ball too. Yeah. You remember he was with the little jump shot Yeah, yeah, yeah. Both of y'all, man. He was laughing one day cuz when I was nine years old, I wrote a song called God is the Key. Mm-hmm because uh, I was trying to impress my pops when Pops was like, write a rap. I was like, oh, if I write about God, he's gonna think I'm gonna, I'm a good kid. So I was like, God is the key. God is the key that you need to believe. Um, he's the, well wait, I got this from uh, Jogi Bear. He's the king of the jungle He's the killer of the scene.

Pat:

Hey yo, yo, yo, you're not to be funny. The fact that you remember that and you was nine years old, you should go back and revise it and like write some, some, some stuff man. And and still title with God as the key. and like I said, make it a passion project. It ain't gotta be like I'm trying to get signed, you know what I'm saying? I

Raymundo:

like that. I like that idea.

Pat:

Make a song and then make that and, and, and put it on your album. Make a little, make a ep, five songs, man. Oh bro. again, us rapping, we still got it, but it ain't gotta be, I'm trying to get signed. I'm a 40 year old rapper. Like, you ain't gotta be like that, but do it as a passion project cuz your friends were still appreciated. Or even other people that's like, yo, I heard your joint, God is the key. And, and, and it inspired me. You know what I'm saying?

Raymundo:

Yo, it's funny you say that though. Cause when I started the Raymundo show and I I, my, when I first started it, I, it's like I opened. Like I found, I found it, I found my purpose. I knew it was my voice, so I wanted to do everything. So I was like, oh, I'm dropping that mix tape. So I started writing it be called back for the last time. like, when did you get here the first time dropping it, man. Oh. And I'm definitely gonna have you in a feature, man.

Pat:

Listen, I'm, I'm telling you, drop it while you still can because it's like, while we could still room, while we could still play, while we could still actually have the stuff in our head. Do it now. You gonna be 60 years old and like, nah, I don't like my voice now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's true. I can't, the only thing, I can't play ball cause no, my knees jacked up. No. Still play ball. Do everything while you still can word sound like some real old heads

Raymundo:

word. You ain't trying to be like, ah, don't, don't play ride like that. Your blood don't mess up my, yeah, yeah, yeah. so Oh yeah. How was your art show, your first art show? how did that go?

Pat:

my, uh, my other uncle from my mother's side, he owns a bar. You say you're not in New York, right? Mm-hmm. I, um, but he's in, it's in Brooklyn. It's called Built Bro Built Bar on Vanderbilt. I don't know the exact I person on Vanderbilt. My uncle owns a bar and he was like, we want to feature you as the first artist and put your artwork on the wall. And I said, say no more. So, came from Maryland, been on my artwork, had it on the wall, and it was an amazing show, man. Like that was my first, presentation of like showing my, my artwork off. Just, just me. So it was really dope, man. I hit up some friends. I, I posted the flyer on Instagram, Facebook, my old high school friends showed up. It, it was dope. My family showed up. It felt like a, a small family reunion too. Cause I told you, my family, even on both sides, we, we, we were kind of divided, but to see, like my brother showed up too, we still have our differences, but he showed up and I was like, oh shit. My brother came.

Raymundo:

That's what's up, man.

Pat:

Yeah. It, it was dope, man. To see old friends come out to support me. Everybody drinking, having fun. it was surreal, man. Like

Raymundo:

it was dope. Yo imagine having your shit out the fucking MoMA gala. Your family coming to see that over there. Like,

Pat:

incredible

Raymundo:

man. Incredible. You ever been to one of those museums?

Pat:

I always heard about it. I, I haven't been to like a, um, you know what? I think I've, this is probably years ago, I think I've been to one years ago. But, but, but not anything recent.

Raymundo:

I'm telling you, I discovered my love for art late. Like, I didn't even realize I've been in it for so long. Like, y'all been in the mi like, you know what I'm saying? Like I've been. Seeing paintings when I was younger, when we went to the, you know what I'm saying? When we went to school trips and all that. But like, I was like in denial. And then, you know, the older I got, the more I got into it and my boy, he bought, uh, he had this big ass bas painting and I remember like singing the shit about to get into my boy

Pat:

boy. Go. Ain't cut you off. Go ahead No,

Raymundo:

I ain't mean to cut you off. Go, go, go ahead let's it off John. I hope I'm saying it right.

Pat:

Jam. I

Raymundo:

said what? I assassin Not yet. nice. That's fine. It's all good.

Pat:

Go. Wanna know

Raymundo:

tw Oh no, no, no. Yo, listen, when you cut me off, there's always some fire shit, so feel free. Yo, that's fire bro. Like, check this out. I ain't even know he was black until like, a couple days ago.

Pat:

He's Haitian and, and Dominican. I believe he's Haitian and

Raymundo:

I think he's Haitian and Puerto Rican. Yeah, I think it's Puerto Rican. Yeah. Yeah. Haitian and Puerto Rican. Like, because I, I just say he was black and my girl was like, oh, he's Haitian and Puerto Rican. I said, oh shit. That's And from Brooklyn. What? I didn't, yo, lemme tell you something. When. I only knew about the Leonard. I only knew about the Ninja Turtles. Leonardo,

Pat:

Leonardo,

Raymundo:

Donna, Donna I said, so getting ready for the meeting, getting ready for the interview. I'm like, yo, I don't know. No black artists. Like dead ass. I was like, dead ass don't know. Like really? You, the, like, you and anybody that I know that's, that's in the art game. Mm-hmm. So I started doing research and I'm like, wow. so I found out about him being from Brooklyn. You know, once you say Brooklyn, it don't go, I don't go fuck what he do at that point. As long as he's not six, nine snitching. You could do, you could I support you. But I was like, oh man. And, he went from graffiti in the subway to postcards to, you know what I'm saying, getting discovered in mm-hmm. I think one of his paintings was, was sold for 6 million. No, no, it was number six in all time in auctions. 106 million, if I'm not mistaken.

Pat:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, um, that, that wasn't actually too long ago. Oh my bad. The last art event I went to was the Basquiat in New York. This was um, last year. This year. My bad went this year. you know what,

Raymundo:

I went art, I went to the van, the Van Gogh, the Van

Pat:

Gogh experience. Shit, I forgot all about that too. I went to the one in dc, the Van Gogh joint. Bro. It's phenomenal, man. They have projectors all in the wall.

Raymundo:

Yeah. On the floor. It was almost on the floor too. Yo. Uh, it was nice, man. And then they let you read his life before you get to the paintings. Yeah. Yeah. So you could see what, like, he was reflecting off and it's crazy. Like he really committed suicide, but mm-hmm. I, I what I just see as a common thing where like any type of, like, if you're gonna be brave enough to love wholeheartedly mm-hmm. you're gonna leave space to get hurt at the same time, so mm-hmm. what I'm trying to compare it into, like, you, you can have this talent, this skill, right? But there's still another part that, That is probably, that, that's probably off, but it still makes you, you, but I'm saying like artists, whether it's music, whatever, like there's pain somewhere that they either still dealing with or are now we are experiencing what they're living out, you know, being free from the pain. So it's either mm-hmm they still in the pain, still processing the pain or expressing how they finally know how to balance life. That's what I like about are you get to see all that. and your max was one of them. my had to bring this up Max be like, don't want my enemies. He's the ex man. That's my god.

Pat:

Rest the peace. So that shit, it sounds funny even saying that, bro, like rest the peace of dmx.

Raymundo:

Wow, bro. We're x we just wanted him to be good. You know what I'm saying? Like yeah, yeah, yeah. Not too many rappers or artists you give a fuck about their wellbeing cuz they don't give a fuck about you. But I feel like XT need a fuck about us in a way. Yeah, yeah,

Pat:

yeah. Like, like even when, um, I remember last time he was in jail and they was like, welcome home when the album coming up. Me personally, I was, I don't even wanna hear an album. I just wanna see my man lived his life. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. Yeah. He like, nah, I don't wanna hear no DMX album.

Raymundo:

word. Yo. Um, so what artists influenced you the most?

Pat:

It's, uh, it's, it's a little bit of everything. Dmx, Bob Baat somewhat. I, I was never, I listen to Bob Marley now. Okay. Okay. like Bob is conscious man. Like, like I didn't know that. Yeah. I didn't know Bob was super conscious, man. Like reggae music. It's a lot of political talking reggae music. Right? Here's a ball. You remember Well come to Jim Rock. Mm-hmm. It's a line where, uh, uh, junior Gogos, let's face it, get your educations basic, but most of them mutes them. Was it? And when them wasted, they put the guns, replace it and they don't stand chance

Raymundo:

Oh, how about this one? Listen. you know, in the streets is getting hot in the youth. Them nigga so cold. Oh, he goes, um, if education is the key to tell him why they make it so expensive for we, my shit give him the keys sent free.

Pat:

There's so many messages and the people that don't listen, they just dancing. Like,

Raymundo:

Hey, hey. Like, yo, listen to what he's saying. Mm-hmm. that's, yo, we gotta put that on. I might have to do your top five reggae influential songs that you wasn't paying attention to cause you was jamming. Mm-hmm. Right. ke Yo. That was a great example to use though. Damn outta all the examples. You used the right fucking example. Out of all the paintings you've done, which one is your personal favorite?

Pat:

have somebody else ask me that too. I'm gonna be honest. And none, lets probably sound corny, but I feel like it hasn't been created. Man.

Raymundo:

Nah, bro. You, you can't say that. You can't say that it's gonna be corny and say some Mr. Miyagi shit, bro, you can't be doing that, bro. Come on man. listen. I'm just being modest.

Pat:

It is real, man. Like, for the longest, um, every time I see a, a new idea or, or I hear like a poem or something, or see a movie, I get inspiration. Then I create, I'm like, yo, there's fire. And then I, I, I create something else. I'm like, no, that one's fire. And it's just like, it just keeps getting better and better. I feel like it hasn't been created

Raymundo:

yet. You know what, you reminded me of your answer. You reminded me of, I, I always, I hear, I hate to say his name wrong. Yo Simbe. Yo Simbe, most def

Pat:

Oh, uh, um,

Raymundo:

Like you, you answered that question. The way he was like, I haven't created yet. Remember Nor asked him something. He was like, cuz I am. And nor was like, oh, I

Pat:

seen Bay. I, I seen you seen Bay. You seen Bay? Yeah. You

Raymundo:

seen Bay? Yeah. Yeah. Actually somebody, I have no no's. Wild man. I love Nore. No, You know what I like about Nori? Nori made me feel better about podcasting. Cause I'm like, I'll be more on point. I'll be on, I'll be, if I like seeing him fuck up. Because that's the thing too, when you, you don't notice. If you not in the game, you don't notice. when people fuck up. So now that I'm like, I'm in the game, I audio, if you say you know too much, if you say Uhuh, um, um, um, I pick it up. So Nori. Mm-hmm. be there. Like when he, when you can tell when he gets nervous or he don't know what he gonna say, he'll be like, ah, let's give another, that's his, that's his time. That's his by time thing. When he does that, I'm like, I know what you doing. But, but you

Pat:

know what it is. But it, it's, it's the genius because it makes it feel like a real conversation and not an interview. Because when people do interviews, you feel like you on the, the hotspot, you know what I'm saying? Like Yeah, yeah. And you get nervous. But nori, him stuttering or him like, not pronouncing words correctly, it feels like this organic conversation and it comes out better like that

Raymundo:

man. That's that's true. Yeah. I ain't gonna fry. I I love drink chance, man. You know, I had shout out to DJ E F n, uh, you know what I'm saying? I seen him. Yeah. He came on the show, show love, man. It was great.

Pat:

H how did you get that together? I seen, I said

Raymundo:

what? Yo, there's a, there's a story, a whole story behind that, but I'm gonna simplify it as much as possible. You were supposed to get somebody on the show, my girl went on a mission. She was like, I'm gonna get you somebody that's more busy than anybody that you try to reach that didn't come on the show. And she did that shit. shout out to you girl. Cause that, that, that wasn't the first time. There's certain people that I know that I grew up with, that I went to school with that they doing really good. And I'm like, yo, come on the show and talk about it. Don't answer nothing. Nothing. Mm-hmm. he ef fm right away. Oh, he what? 30 minutes? Set up the date, talk to my guy. Boom. Cancel. Not cancel. Got there on time. Gave me my 30, he gave me extra 10 minutes and his busy schedule, he gave me 30 minutes and the extra 10, bro. And it was, it was great. I was just a little, you know, I was a little nervous. This shit, I was drinking like a motherfucker. I'm thinking I'm with a drink champ. I got my beer, he got fucking water.

Pat:

That's dope, man. Cuz he, him and Norry like killing it right now. So to have him as a guest, that's love.

Raymundo:

Word man. I gotta just put the, I I didn't put it on YouTube yet. Cause you know, like we were talking about over the chat, bro, like being your own everything. Sometimes you get a little like,

Pat:

bro, bro, bro, drop it. I wanted to, um, again, we talk about this product placement. We gotta support our friends, man. Like a thousand percent. Like I wanna watch your joint on YouTube and me painting with you in the background on the screen. Like just me painting and showcasing my art while I got you in the background talking, like me watching you, you know what I'm saying?

Raymundo:

Me watching you work, that's fine. Drop it, man. But you know why that's fire? Because what I told you what I wanted to do with the final. When I say my final say, I want, uh, like just some videos of you painting in the background. You know what I mean? Just, okay. Okay. Cause you know, my final say, got some shit. So we just seeing you like, and at the end of the final say, the picture comes together. Like that's, that's my vision with it right now. But let's, let's see how we, we'll put it and we'll do that ski too. Yeah, yeah,

Pat:

yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm going, I gotta put some stuff

Raymundo:

together, but yeah. You know what's crazy bro? I, again, 40 skits, I haven't recorded. a, a lot of people haven't seen the whole episode. Like I got it all audio when they see the visuals, you know what I mean? Cuz I, at first, you know, when I started this shit, I didn't want, no, I was just gonna go recording. But then I'm like, yo, I need to be in front of the camera. Like I was a sh I was like camera shot for some reason. Right. But you believe that Yo. But it's crazy bro. I know you, I know. I did episodes with my best friend, my girl. And I still get nervous until that microphone get on. Nervous, nervous. I press record. I'm like, ladies and gentlemen, this is the Ray Muno show. You better act like you know where the fuck you at. Talk about it man. Talk about

Pat:

you see bro shit like. Everybody can't do like, you know what I'm saying? Everybody can't do that. You got a personality, you know how to talk to people. You listening to Gaze, like everybody can't do that. I've heard some podcasts where I just like, man, this shit is boring. Like, they just, and they, they, they, they asked the wrong questions and it's just like a, a, another one of my favorite podcasts is Joe Button. He been like, Joey on some weird shit. I like Joe, I like it when it was, uh, Rory and Mile and Joe. I, I like that version brother. But, but again, like I, I was messing with their podcast for a minute, but you got it, man. I love seeing it, man. Everybody don't have it,

Raymundo:

you know? Thank you, man. I just, I can't wait till I learn how to scale it. And like, and it's really like, I already got it. It's literally just, yo, you have a Patreon, people can support you through there. You have, yo, I have like, I have a lot of content on that shit, bro. I'm talking about, I do it like if I have already all the fans that I need all the support, so it's dope. Cause it's like they get the personal stuff, but behind the scenes stuff, the stuff that you don't see here, like,

Pat:

I have one suggestion. Mm-hmm. I'm about to get bigger. Pause

Raymundo:

pause that.

Pat:

I feel like your fan base will grow bigger when people see your production. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, um,

Raymundo:

yeah, I felt, I felt I really, I know what you're saying cause I, that's what I've been thinking.

Pat:

office space, production. When it's time though, when it's time, office space, production camera, better camera, better lights, and people will look at like, yo, you doing your thing? Even though in your mind you're like, I've been doing my thing. It's just better production now, it's better quality, but it's still been great. It's better quality. But I've done that. They were like, oh my God. All I did was put some l e d lights and I started shooting with my professional camera. But it's the talent been there. Yeah. Yeah. But when you upgrade and the high quality camera and the lights, I'm gonna be so proud, bro. I'm like, yo, nigga Ray, thank you man. Induction look super professional. Cause you already got the talent. You know what I'm saying?

Raymundo:

It just, yeah, it just, the outside, right. The outside little bit. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm waiting on it, man. Yeah, yeah. Thank you man. I know it's gonna be stupid though. We,

Pat:

we got voice I always said this set up to my friends too. If your creator trying to do something, challenge yourself. Challenge yourself. Say, how can I get this to the next level and just try it. Challenge yourself. How can I make this bigger and better? Pause, No,

Raymundo:

no, no. fucking Brooklyn, bro. We can't say shit He just talking about improving, bro. We can't even say when I say yo pause, don't hold on now.

Pat:

Yeah.

Raymundo:

But now I feel, now I figured though I appreciate that. I've been thinking that's what I'm missing, like for it to, to feel more professional. You know what I mean? I know I got it. Mm-hmm. but just, like Wutang, right? They shit was fired when they was in, in that room with the eggshells. Mm-hmm. But when they went and recorded they shit in an official studio, there's a difference in the sound and the picture. Exactly like that. Yeah, exactly. Now

Pat:

and then other people start to notice you.

Raymundo:

Yeah. They start saying, yo, he's stepping up like this kid's on some other shit. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Man. I feel like,

Pat:

like go back to the under early drink champs episode. Everybody crowded in the one room and they all real tight. Everybody's smoking now. the table was just, dj, ef, F n and Nori, and they got the camera, the lights and everybody's clapping. They still behind the scenes or even look at Joe Joint now. They like, they moved in a different, they got the nice couch and all this other, like the production back in the, uh, quality and looks incredible.

Raymundo:

Man. That's, yo, I got, I, that's what I'm saying. One future studio coming soon. I'm just

Pat:

ready man. when you're ready. You know what

Raymundo:

I'm saying? Of course, of course. Man. I appreciate that man. Ready. Be hype man. But, um, definitely man. Yeah, man. Appreciate that. but I wanna talk about your paint styles. Cause I, I see you doing different things. Like I feel like I see spray, I see this. I see. Talk about more about the styles that you do to express your art.

Pat:

The style of paintings called vector art. it's a few colors that make it look like it's a gradient. sometimes, not all the time, but it's just a few colors and you can pick apart the colors inside the painting. So to be like, this is a a a blue, this is lighter blue and it's a different type of blue. You know what I'm saying? Just different variations of different colors. And I've been painting hip hop people for so long, but I'm trying to get outta that. I love hip hop, but I wanna reach another level, you know what I'm saying?

Raymundo:

well, well, your art now, when your art speaks to me, I hear, I hear hip hop, I hear I'm proud of my culture. I'm standing up for my culture. You know what I'm saying? In any form that I can express that. And I hear, I hear nineties r and b for some. you know what I'm saying? I hear, I hear creation, you know what I'm talking about. When you things speak to you, man, your art speaks to me, bro. Like the, the way you chose the colors, like I was showing my girl yesterday. I'm going through this stuff and I'm like, yo, you see this? Like, I seen Biggie in pictures. I've had like eight Biggie shirts. But the way your painting, shows Biggie, man, I don't know, man. It's different. I hit, I hear the fucking beat in the background. It was all the Fly Dream

Pat:

full, right? That's dope.

Raymundo:

Man. Yo went

Pat:

to, I had a art show. I, I didn't ask him where he was from, but I had a giant biggie, uh, painting. Dude walked by and he said, bro, I gotta have it And I was like, you know, you ready? I was just like, you know, cash that paper. What's up? And I charged him, I told him it was 800 dude turned around and talked to his girl, like they had a meeting, And she, she was like, babe, babe, no, no, no. And then I, I had my, my speaker and I started playing Juicy. I playing, uh, it was all a dream. And then you turned around. He said, bro, don't do that. And I was like, Hey man, I gotta playing a big song, And then I, I was like, I let it go for 600. And he was like, alright. And I saw the paint right there on the spot.

Raymundo:

Yo, you know, all you had to do is drop it a little bit and you was gonna get, that's fine.

Pat:

Nah, it, it, it clicked off because when he turned around I was like, he really wants it. But his girl is like, babe, don't spend the money now. So one of my, on my phone, I typed in big new Juicy and I played it and then he was like, ah, come on. So,

Raymundo:

yeah. And, and again, like he said, he's like, don't do that to me, Paul. Don't do that to me.

Pat:

the painting was speaking to him. I had to just make it a little louder. So

Raymundo:

You made the connection clear. He was like, nah, no nothing. I don't even know if I'm gonna be with shorty. I'm about the cop this Cause he gonna be tight. He break up, he ain't buy that shit. He gonna be like, damn, why listen to her man. Uhhuh

Pat:

and I took off 200. Yeah.

Raymundo:

600. What was, what did your first paint the sell for that like, Made you proud

Pat:

of shit. oh my. It was super cheap, but it was probably like a hundred dollars.

Raymundo:

Oh that's still must, yo, let me, yo, lemme sell an episode for$10. I'll be like, bro, I got you mental health. You need music.

Pat:

I think, I think it was less than that. It was like, it was like$80. It was a tu. And I sold the Tupac for like$80. I, I didn't even have a box I just had the painting. how did, how did I link up with dude? I forgot how we linked up. I think we were friends with like Facebook or something like that. And he came, it is when I was in Florida, had the canvas just like that. It was like a drug deal. He gave me the$80. I gave him a canvas. I was like, all right, I ain't have no business card or nothing. That was like my first

Raymundo:

page. That's how, that's how I'll be in the beginning, man. And, and

Pat:

speaking of Bruce Bigelow, remember Bigelow when, um, he first got his first$20? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You remember that? I think that was the, um, the Hooker when he punched in the ass.

Raymundo:

I think was that one. I gotta, but he got the, I gotta see.

Pat:

And he was like, oh my, like, yeah. that was a moment that I had when I sold my first painting.

Raymundo:

I gotta show, I gotta show that video when I, when I put this on YouTube. What was your most rewarding one? That's ak. I don't wanna ask you, what's the price you paid? What's the most someone paid for it, but like, I

Pat:

understand. I'm, I'm proud of it. I'm proud of it. All right. All right. I hate to sound like this, but because when you, when you big yourself up, people think like, yeah, you're arrogant, but you gotta big yourself up, man. You gotta be proud of your shit. But I've sold all over the United States and I sold one to Canada. I've sold over over 80 paintings. I sold over 80 paintings.

Raymundo:

Um, that's fire, bro.

Pat:

My highest, again, when I saw paintings, I saw like, some people buy'em in, in books. I think from one person the most was like, um, 1700 or something like that. But this was for a few paintings. Yeah. but when I did the show in New York, my art show,, I sold one painting for$1,200. That was probably my most rewarding. Like, I just sold the painting for$1,200, one painting,

Raymundo:

100. That's crazy. Yeah. does that change how you go forward with like, the way you, like, the way I've always thought about it, right? Is once you got paid 1200, did you go under again or you just, that's, that sets the.

Pat:

it sets the bar. But I also try to be fair to people, but I gotta eat too. Like, I have my daughter, I got bills, but I try to like, be reasonable with my prices, but I'm not gonna low ball myself where somebody's taking advantage of me. You know what I'm saying? Like, of course, man, I've been to two colleges. I've been through so much. It's like, you gotta be rewarded for your work. You know what I'm saying? So I still don't try to be reasonable, but I you put the work in, you know what I'm saying? Be reward, be rewarded

Raymundo:

for the work. The work you put in that you put in. Exactly. so when you ask for that number, you know what I'm saying? The, the energy behind that number, the reason behind that number is strong. You know what I mean? Like, all right. All the hard for that. Man. It reminds me of a Picasso, uh, story where he's in the restaurant and some lady was like, can you, can you draw something for me? So Picasso draws it he's like$500. She's like, you just drew it in a napkin? She goes, no, I've been drawing my whole life. So I could charge you$500 for this thing I just drew right here. Cause the work I put in mm-hmm. for a napkin. They don't

Pat:

see, that's crazy. They don't see the 20 10,000, 20,000 hours that you've been putting in the work on your craft. They don't see all the trial and error mess up. They don't see the hard work that you put in editing. the post-production. They don't see none of that. They think it's, you just, they don't playing with stuff.

Raymundo:

Mm-hmm. they only see the, the surface shirt. Yeah. Man. So definitely. That's why like, I don't want nobody to paint my kids, but you, I told her that already. I was like, but I want to be able to pay him what he, whatever the fuck he ask. I don't want to be like, oh, I'm, I'm telling you, I'm not the guy to be like, sir, you can't look out full brother. Nah, I, I won't even take it. I'm be like, nah son, you getting that full price. Do get outta here bro. Appreciate it. Appreciate. That's how I gotta be because if I could pay full price for some Jordan's or some Nike that don't give a fuck about me, I can pay full price for my brother. That dead ass give a fuck. where nor where the fuck is Norry when you need him. Man.

Pat:

talk about it man. Man, I, I've got real. Gimme a discount. Gimme a discount. I've been on a. And it's sad to say that I'm just now doing this, but I used to do that. Yo, bro, you gimme some, you know, little discount. I don't, I I, I think that's disrespectful to do that nowadays. Like, support your friends, you support Jordan, you support Nike, you support all these other friends. You don't even know these people. You watch your friends grow up and start they business and get no likes on they, they post any of this show support. Exactly. Share their work. You know what I'm saying? Like that

Raymundo:

I knew, I knew you would, um, be able to relate to that. Cuz sometimes I hear you comment on that. Like, yo, like that same exact thing. Like, yo, if you show these other brands that, that, that's just, they just market, they market to you so much. They have to listen to your phone to really get you, and then you got somebody that's just trying to live off what he loves to do, right? Mm-hmm. those brands just give, they just love taking your money. But it's a different mindset when you're supporting someone that's trying to live his dream. And if Exactly man, if we just thought, if we all thought about that a little bit and we all did it with, you know, we all helped each other, we'll be good. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. you know what I'm saying? I know like me, at some point though, I realize I'm like, I'm not gonna get to the wealth that I want to get depending on my friends to support me. I need people that I don't know to support. So that's why I don't stress my friends, like it's, I'm not gonna put my dreams on them, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. But that support goes a long fucking way because I don't have expectations from none of my people. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Except, um, except my dad. He don't listen to my shit. I'm gonna step up to Duke like, yo baby Duke Don't make me do Wow. stop. Sorry dad. I'm just joking. what would you say is like when you, when people see your painting, what message do you want them to get from when they see it? Like, if they never saw the artist but they see you painting, what, what'd you want them to be able to say about you?

Pat:

Different? again, I, I, I feel like I haven't created what I want to create. Cause every time I post something, somebody ask like, yo, could I get that nods? Could I get that? They're like, they order commissions. But I feel like I haven't tapped into like, pieces that actually have messages, deep messages into it. That's one of my next projects. Like, um, I don't wanna take it off the wall. I got so much art in, in my house, bro. but that's what I want in the future to people, for people to be. your painting gives me life. You know what I'm saying? Inspiration. That's, I haven't tapped into it just yet, but that's, what I'm working on now.

Raymundo:

I mean, what's better than that? Your paintings put me, it take me to a place before Bills when my mom was alive and I didn't really know what the world was. You know what I'm saying? That, that's why I feel like the colors you chose, the what you decide to paint. I know sometimes you painted for other people, but that's what I get. Like, I'm like, yo, I'm, I'm in the best era, you know what I'm saying? I'm in a positive environment. So that's, I feel like it's already coming across like that.

Pat:

I, I'm gonna say this too. I don't always say this a lot, but it sound cheesy. I don't tell people to send me reactions when they opening up my, my, my packages or the paintings. But when they do it and they send it back to me and I see the reaction from it, that touches me. It's like, that's why I love what I do. I got a homeboy, he bought a painting from me. Then it was like a year later, he wanted order another painting. he seen me on my Instagram on my stories, and he said, bro, how much? No, no, no. Wait, lemme take it back a little bit. His girlfriend DM me and she said, uh, I'm gonna surprise my, my boyfriend with a painting. but don't post it. I posted on my story by accident and then I was like, fuck. And he seen it and he said, bro, how much? And I had to lie and be like, yo, bro, somebody already sold, bought it, sold it, Meanwhile it's his, because his girlfriend already bought it and it was, um, it was already on his way to his house. So she recorded, him open up the painting and when he opens it, he goes, yo, you could barely hear him, but he goes, I was just about to buy. And he's speechless. That's probably one of my favorite reaction videos. And it made me feel like that's why I do it. You know what I'm saying? Cause when people open it as just like, I amazing. I, I feel like I like that more than creating a painting. Yeah. Just seeing

Raymundo:

the people's reaction. you never understand when someone comes to me and be like, yo, that shit you said resonated with me. Or Yo, if you gave me yo, I used this tip, uh mm-hmm. that you said how to be procrastination. That was, I'm like, oh, that's, that feels, that feels great. Oh, yo, I was feeling like shit, this made my. ain't nothing better than that man. And to get, and then you did. It was some shit you love to do. Exactly. It's nothing. You understand what I'm saying? Like that's, that's art in itself. Mm-hmm. from your canvas to they hearts. Yo, put that on the Hallmark card, please. Yeah. Uh, yeah. In the hearts Hallmark. Send it. Uh, I'm ready for acting.

Pat:

Let's go. Put me on a TV show, bro. Do it, man. I'm telling you. Do it man. I see it, man.

Raymundo:

I see it. Thank you. Thank

Pat:

you, man. Listen, saying just crank it out. Crank it out while you can. I, and again, man, I'm be honest with you, if you, I say this again, if you was trash, I would be like, that's cool. It's cool, right?

Raymundo:

Like, all, like when you hear that mix tape, you be like, all you say shit. You like, alright, see you Okay. On, on the mix. Tape. Tape. I don't wanna hear you on it. You know, remember that, that Batman meme where he's like, yo, when you listening to a mix tape, Batman trying to hear what you saying. Oh man. All, now that we getting close to wrapping it up, what does art mean to you? This is like a artist life man.

Pat:

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Go. Go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. I mean, no

Raymundo:

man. Simplicity. It's the ultimate satisfaction. So sometimes I ask people questions that, yeah, it deserves a longer answer, but sometimes What's nigga, what life fuck are you talking about? You should have said fucking talking about after like life

Pat:

fuck one New Yorker to another New Yorker. Sometimes we don't know how to take that. Like, fuck you man. Like what? You good

Raymundo:

Right? Like and like right. You have somebody ask you, yo, you good? And you like, I'm good nigga. You good? I'm great. Yeah. You ever had that? Like before you answer the question, you think I'm pussy or he really asking me if I'm okay? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pat:

Are you good? Yeah. What you mean Oh, my favorite one I say to this day. Yo. Who you talking to? Yeah, who you talking?

Raymundo:

I say that today. Today. Me know You ain't talking to me. No. What happened? Yo, what happened

Pat:

What happened?

Raymundo:

What happened? What? But yo, that one is, that one really throws me off. Yo, you good? Like, well actually, nigga, I woke up right on time. I had breakfast at Bacon. Uh, She was a good day, nigga. You good? Like yeah. But you, you asked that the wrong day to the wrong person. especially from New York. especially. All right. Um, so art is life. yo, I don't know if anybody said this, but this, I had wrote it down. It's like, oh, I'm using that for the show. So I could be like, oh, I had bars that day. Mm-hmm. I said, art is a reflection of our soul's perception. Mm-hmm. That's dope in a way. Right? Like, I was like, my girl corrected me. She says, no. She goes more like the reflection of how you, I don't know. She says some other show. I'm like, yo, but I'm going with art is a reflection of your soul's perception. Your souls percept. Right? Because a lot, you know, artists draw, of course, they paint, they draw, they sing, they can sing written stuff, right? But you know what I'm saying? The stuff that came from the pain, from the joy, from the confusion, all these things, on this paper or on this audio, and you just, you're just connecting to it. not knowing the full story it's enough to, to put you in that right state of mind, man. And that's why art is so important to the world. Like if you think about Now let's go. right. Pause, pause. Yo, they gonna think we playing video games down here. They were like, yo, y'all niggas playing PlayStation Yeah. Yo, pause that. Pause that. if it wasn't for art, we wouldn't know. Even though I ain't gonna front the higher ups, they did their best to completely take away our history. But some shit cannot be taken away in them pyramids, in Egypt, in those walls that were written on, those sculptures that were sculpted art is the way we were able to learn a little bit about ourselves or, or in general. Cause before we had a book, we had the drawings on the, on the wall before we had the book. it was story passed down, passed down, which it could get diluted, it could get whatever. But you, the drawings depicted what their perception and reflection was during that time. Mm-hmm. and God forbid, something happens to the earth, the way they'll be able to tell how we were living as a society is through our art, through what we left behind. Not just books through the paintings, through the sculptures, through the statues, even though sometimes we got statues of slave owners. But that's a whole nother fuck. Episode that I don't wanna, oh, they tear

Pat:

them down. Now they, they turn them down now. they had enough. We had enough. They tear them down.

Raymundo:

Whoa, man. but yeah, man, art out life, man. I feel like art gives life flavor, right? Like, if we didn't have, Art, it'd be like eating french fries with no salt. You just eating fucking potatoes. Like, fuck outta here. I need salt on these shit. Dope You, you

Pat:

never seen that, that, that, uh, that mean that said earth without art is, that's

Raymundo:

That's a fact. Is an But, but that's what I'm saying. Yo, I'm telling you, I, I see the art and everything from the clothing, the stitching, the to placement. Now let's think about the greatest artist of all time. You know what I'm saying? Gio date, the skies, the stars, the moon, the sun, the grass are people. People, when you really look back and take out all the bullshit, all the stuff nobody likes to talk about, world is beautiful, bro. Waterfall. you know what I'm saying? Beaches, oceans, lakes. Yes. And, and art is where you can connect to all of that no matter what. and it is, what's crazy is that mm-hmm. you can make art from something glorious. You can also make art from something tragic. Mm-hmm. that art is like water, bro. It just fits in everything. There's art to taking care of your kids. There's art to paying bills, there's an art for everything. Man, to have you on this episode talking this art shit has been great, man. For real?

Pat:

Mm-hmm. Ray Moon did a philosopher talk about it, bro.

Raymundo:

Yo, I'm like, like he's, he's on his, well, I just wanna make sure, Dan, who is it? Who's the one? Who's the one? It's Aristotle was the racist one. I don't know. A lot of them was fucked up. But we gonna be, we on our krs. You know what, we on our kls philosopher shit. That's what I'm going with. Mm-hmm. I believe in son. Mm-hmm. real.

Pat:

Talk about it, man. it's incredible, man. Art is in everything, man.

Raymundo:

Yeah, man. Oh, that's, that's why I,

Pat:

I, I try to do so much. Not to go back a little bit of, no, it's like I was telling you about the skit though, that I'm about to do it from photography, the animation. I, I got DJ equipment in front of me. Man. I don't even, I don't call myself a DJ because I have respect for real DJs. But once I start practicing and start mix, I'm, I'm gonna be a beast out here, man. But learn everything while you here man. Learn

Raymundo:

everything and when you DJ everything, have your, have your backs splashes your paintings.

Pat:

Oh yeah. Yeah. You I did that. I did, I did that at an event I did at all my paintings in the back while DJ You

Raymundo:

was you like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is my shit. This my yo.

Pat:

It was literally like that. I'm like, I did and I gotta go back to the music.

Raymundo:

Yo, you should have a, you should have like some shit when you DJing this shit, you have a banner that, that you just put up like, yo number one. Yeah. This is my shit. You know you got the Instagram all that. Why you still, why you DJing them? Like, nah. So he's talented. Stay at the party copper painting while we here or

Pat:

just do this yo, there you go. And I got my, my QR card on there. So all my pages, well some of my pages.

Raymundo:

Oh, that's fine man. yo, whenever you need a voiceover, I got you. Appreciate

Pat:

you, appreciate

Raymundo:

you. I can see my stuff doing the yo epic. You know what a fly dream is. You'll never know if you still crawling So like, yeah. Yeah. I didn't even tell you. I've been, so that's part of my dream. I like, I want to use my voice to feed, to eat good, to, to live off my, my voice pretty much in voiceovers. I probably, I don't know, I might love it more than podcasting, to be honest. Mm-hmm. like, I would love to be the dude like this Tuesday coming to all theaters near you on a Tuesday. Mm-hmm. the club is not the only thing going up on a Tuesday. No,

Pat:

you, you better, um, create a resume, man. People getting paid for that. Jump on fiber. You ever heard of Fiber?

Raymundo:

I'm on fiber right now.

Pat:

Jump on Fiber and tell'em that, that you're a voiceover artist.

Raymundo:

I, yo I think I probably gotta change it up a little bit, but I've only got, like, I've had friends support me and stuff, but I haven't got nobody like, oh, I love your voice. Let me, you know, I don't know. I'm, I gotta learn how to do that shit. Not the voiceover thing, voice the other. Um, but yeah. So let's put it in the universe. Two more questions that we out here. We got to enjoy Friday. This was great. This was supposed to be an hour nigga, but like you what we at almost two hours? Yeah, it is. Yo, you know what's crazy? I don't like editing long episodes. I be always trying to make it an hour, but sometimes you can't deny fucking energy bro. There was a message that needed. It's the conversation.

Pat:

Hmm. It's the conversation, man. It's like I said, with Nori, it feels organic, right? Like, like this, like you still have your basic questions, but the conversations still feel organic. You know what I'm saying? Word. And that's

Raymundo:

dope about it, man. That's what's up man. I hope I'm like,, and it's crazy. Before any episode, I used to always like second guess and now be before I go in there, I'll be like, yo, but yo, I actually did a video. I said, yo, go in there. Like God sent you. So I always go in there like, if God sent you to go in there, into that room, wow. That shit changes your mind. Like, oh God sent me. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna go in there and wall out. Cause I'm a child of God. So, and God is the creator of creators. Of creators. So how can I not see

Pat:

that shit is gave me chills, man. Go in there like God sent you. That's,

Raymundo:

I'm, I'm gonna coach you on that. Yo, please. Yo. Um, I forgot, I forgot where I got it from, but I did Alright. Did you see my stick? Oh, thought I, huh? Oh,

Pat:

you thought it up? Yeah. Man. That's fire though.

Raymundo:

No, it is though. But when I heard it, it was like, I don't even know. I probably could have thought about it and did, no, I could take, you know what, I'm gonna edit this part out. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Shit came to me on a, on a Saturday. I was of course, the court. But yeah, Where do you see yourself for five years? your empire. Where do you see it at? No. Lucius successful.

Pat:

That's number one successful. But, um, somebody asked me that before too. And, and to be honest with you, bro, I do so much where I don't know where it is gonna go, but I know it's gonna be good and, and, and I go in there like, God sent me I go in there, whether it is like again I do, uh, it's another thing I do, I don't tell anybody. I do voiceovers too. Like I got different, I got a British accent. I got a Jamaican accent, but nobody know I was doing computer animation. So computer animation came from me doing voices. Matter of fact, real quick. My uncle, he used to always have me on punishment. So I remember being on punishment literally the whole summer, like literally July and August. Like you gonna be in the house whole summer. Literally the whole summer. So I used to talk to myself, bro, and make up different voices. And that's what led me later on to like computer animation and then the art shit. One thing. So all ties into one. So whether it is computer animation, graphic design, photography, even DJing or, you know, I cut hair too. I cut hair.

Raymundo:

Fuck yo, fuck Jack, Luke, it is pat of all trades. You right. Fuck. Who the fuck is Jack? You

Pat:

fucking, I couldn't hair, you know what, what comes with all of this, practice, like the ierson practice. You gotta keep putting in the work. You, you can't, I I, I've spent so many hours in Halsey Park, bro. So many hours in the rain and 90 degree weather. I spent hours in that park. I spent hours on laptops, computers and buy different, getting viruses and all this other shit. The hours that I put in all of this, all these things that I do, something good is gonna come out of it. But when somebody go, where do you see yourself? Honestly, I can't give an answer cause I do so much. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. But I know it's gonna be.

Raymundo:

I can't wait to see it come together. You know what I mean? Like, thank you bro. Everything you did had a purpose and it's gonna lead to where you want to be. not cause of what you've done, but because you're not willing to stop. I feel like if anybody call you lazy, you probably would think about slapping the shit out of them or some shit. Right? Like, what? I'm lazy Mant ever disrespect me. Like you the opposite. You like yo, and what's crazy, you can see it, you know, Instagram is, imaginary. But I mm-hmm. What you spoke about today, I got that from your Instagram, from your social media. Cause it is crazy. Not everybody that happens to, but sometimes the real you when, when you that real, it will show anywhere, even in a fake world. you know what I'm saying? That's deep Yo, I'm starting to feel like fucking, fucking no more like I'm, you know what I'm saying? that deep. That's

Pat:

real, real man. Even in the fake world, if you real, the real's gonna show up.

Raymundo:

Yep. Yep. Cause it's the truth. And you know, the truth can only stay in the dark so long, so. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. so if people wanted to work with you, get a painting, get a dope ass shirt, you know what I'm saying? Color. Thank you. All I, and and his hoodie is the only hoodie I wore twice. I have a tax episode and the, the one, my solo, I used it twice. I was like, damn, you gonna really wear it twice? I was like, but what a say on it? Brooklyn. Ah. I wear eight fucking times And you had Biggie on it. Come on. Yo. I love that hoodie cuz it's so like, it's like a hoodie T-shirt. I look fresh, you know what I'm saying? I wear the Massachusetts, even Massachusetts people be like, oh, that shit is hot. but yo, I wanted to thank you for being on the Raymundo Show. My brother is, thank you. You was, you were another one that I wanted on here since season one. I was just waiting for the episode and talk about perfect timing. I love when I want to do an episode and I'm at this point I'm just like, yo, the episodes are just gonna come out great cuz I'm in it and whoever I have in it is great too. I can't predict all of them, but you know what I'm saying, but mm-hmm. As far as you, bro, yo you an inspiration as far as like success. it's in your habits, it's in the way you move. So the success that you deserve, that you've been dreaming about, it's, it's on the way. Like it's dope to know that, that you on the path. You know what I'm saying? Because in this world we could get lofts, man. Cuz there's so many ways to get to a particular place, man. But just knowing that no matter what the road I'm on is gonna lead me to the place that I want to be. And as long as I don't stop as long as you, and, and that's what I'm saying for me, I don't see stop, can't, won't just will in time. So keep doing your thing, keep inspiring and you know what I'm saying? Like, like we took two different elevators to the top floor. I'll meet you there, We'll meet each other there for sure. That's right.

Pat:

I, I appreciate you for having me, man. Like, I see, I see greatness with you, man. It's like, like I said, with this whole, um, episode, your show was gonna get bigger, man. It is gonna get bigger and better. And you got it man. And again, like, like, uh, our people, we gotta start supporting each other, whether it's now or later on. Like even if, no, God forbid, your podcast don't pop. We still gotta support you. I still gotta share your stuff. Even, where's the, the Raymundo show?

Raymundo:

Oh, I, bro, bro, I'm, I'm a cabin. What's up? I know, it's crazy cuz I had set it up and I left fear. I didn't pull the trigger on the shirts. Cause Yeah, I know. I don't know. I know. See, I need to, I I'm gonna hit you up next time. I'm gonna go through that before I like, yo Pat, I'm front right now.

Pat:

your real friend. They wanna support you as soon as you drop. And I'm a cop one.

Raymundo:

I appreciate that a lot, man. Of course. Support man. I don't know if you know that. I try to do that. I don't remember the last time I personally cop some, you know, Nike shit. I've been buying people that I know have a dream and they doing it for the love are always, it is nothing for me to support it. Like, I can't support greediness. I can only support love. And if I s when I purchase something, it's a reflection of me saying, yo, I see the love in it and I see that you're gonna make it. And any, even if you don't make it where you want to be, at least you know you're gonna have my support. Just, just cause it's your passion for it. It doesn't even, cuz you can have the most successful, you could be the richest, you could lose all that, but you can't lose who you are when no one's looking. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you can, you can wipe everything. Like who you really are is who you are when you don't have anything. and with a, with a, with a mindset like you have, you would never not have anything. Cause you got what it takes to make something to you got what it takes to make something outta anything. Damn. Who the fuck is this guy? God, I ain't, I don't,

Pat:

I meant to tell, tell you this too. The first time I seen your logo, were you standing on the world? I said, my nigga like, like when I seen your logo, I said, damn, that shit is fire man. And then I love this welcome to the Ray Muno show. I said, yo, he doing it. He doing it. You got the sound bites and all

Raymundo:

of that. Yeah. Thank you man. You,

Pat:

you got coffee mugs something we need Ray Muno, coffee mugs, all of that. Man,

Raymundo:

I don't even drink coffee man. I stayed, I stayed drinking coffee. I was drinking coffee right before that interview. Nah, you

Pat:

see that, that that coffee cup need to have your logo on it, man.

Raymundo:

Me, you know what, 2023 merch, all that coming.

Pat:

There you go. There you go. Man. Ray Muno.

Raymundo:

Listen man. Oh that's another thing too. Don't stop. Of course. I appreciate it. Of course. Eventually, yo, I ain't gonna, I want a painting of my logo, whatever. But I, I'll tell you, I want you to paint a lot of shit that I want to get painted. But yo, at the Raymundo Show, we support you a thousand percent. And like I said, man, I'll meet you at the top of Mount Everest, bro. Yes sir. Do that. Yo. Check out a fly dream.com is in the show notes. Uh, king Pat on Instagram, everything will be there. Show Love Bob Painting. like they saying the com, the commercials, tell'em Ray sent ya But yo, pat, so next time, brother. Yes,

Pat:

please. Thank you for having me. Ray

Raymundo:

Bushwick, you hurt. All right, you're all day. I thought what my semi-automatic at, nah, I'm back. I'm rapping like I used to. My fault, my fourth man.

It's like art comes with a mirror. You can say it's a reflection of the soul. I feel like that's the truth hidden in plain sight. You can go anywhere in the world without taking a flight. where your Mongo creation is. Sure. To follow. It's a good form of stalking. Is crazy. You can think of a life-changing idea by just walking. I hit the ground running. Or fly like king Patrick's dream. It can not happen. As soon as you wake up and embrace what you love to do. Imagine making money and never having to work again. Nah, let's fix that. You make good money doing something you love. Whatever the awful. Choose the one that has conversations with your spirit. We're in a weird way. It's almost like you can hear it. Let me draw a conclusion for you with my words that paint a vivid picture. From death to literature in the future. They can even be valuing your signature. You won't know how to act, if you find your way to the cinema. And if music is your thing, keep rapping, keep singing. What you do is like a Christmas song. It's a joy. So the world is so wide. You. But this has been another great episode I want to thank y'all again for tuning in I like the thing. My brother king, pat. For bringing his story. And his passion. And there's determination. hoping that y'all could feed off that man. Like everybody got a story. Everybody done been through shit. You a masterpiece yourself. Don't let them on at least to let you get a twisted. But yeah, man. Next episodes, the 50, if I'm excited. But y'all already know. So next time, peace, love Mundo app.

People on this episode

Contributor

Raymundo

Host