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You Are Not Alone part 3 (Mental Health)

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 Mental health is always an important topic on The Raymundo Show. In this episode Raymundo opens up about his past and present struggles with anxiety,stress  and OCD.  In his pursuit to spread the importance of all aspects in mental health he was able to get a someone to join him in his crusade. Special guest telehealth therapist Brianna Calderon helps Raymundo discuss ways that could help anxiety , OCD and finally making that call to a mental health professional.


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You are not alone part 3

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah It's your host Ray Mundo. Welcome to my show. Well, we self-improve. Fond the groove. Taco bustle. Real shit. Have fun. And listen to big pun. Buddy. This is episode 25. You are not alone part three You have no auto play when it comes to mental health. There's always going to be. An episode dedicated to that. Because without that. How can we be saying. But before we get to the proceedings is evening. Let's go It's Ben moon does quote of the day And today's quote of the day. Comes from Kahlil Gibran. Out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls. The most massive characters. Our seed with scars. What I love about this quote is that it showcases. That no matter what you go through. It could be the worst shit in the world. There's others that have gone through it. And. Some of the best people you can ever meet. With those people. That took their pain and turned it into. Happiness. There's some people that just never show you. The scars. Because they've learned some move on. I live in the moment. and those scars is just to show them. How far they come and. They didn't let those. Situations that didn't go their way. Keep them down. I just hope it gives you hope. Just because you went through. Really messed up doesn't mean you don't deserve to live an amazing, beautiful, happy, joyous life. Where you look forward to waking up every day. Just to be yourself. But enough about the quote let's get into the episode So usually on these episodes. I like to give you an update on my mental health. Right now. It's pretty fucking great. Don't get me wrong every now and then. I stay in bed every now and then why can't really stay in bed. You know, cause of my twins, but. I don't do all the things that I really want to do or get done. When the anxiety hit. When that, when that depression tried to creep up, But I've been good with it though. Like, like overall, compared to. How I've been in the past. I say it's a big improvement. And I'm not going to lie. it wasn't, if it wasn't from, uh, my twin smiles. Uh, in my ladies love. And my family love, of course, and my friends. I feel like. This conversation will be different. I need improvement. I need to stop fronting. I feel like every episode I say, I'm going to call the therapist and I, that I was having cold. It's like, what are you waiting for? I know, I know. But by the time it dropped. I'll have, I'll give you the therapist's name and everything, not the full name. Cause. I want to get sued and shit like that. But I've been balancing it out. Sometimes I have great days and others, I have good days. But I just know. Right now I can't afford. To have those days. Cause I don't want my kids to see me with that energy is different. When you're a parent dealing with mental health. I know with me. I'll stay away from them a little bit. But I try not to bring them that energy. But it's only a matter of time. When I spend time with them that. Whatever's bothering me. Don't even fucking matter. No more. Now, I'm not saying you need to have a kid. To fix your mental health. We're having gratitude and. Enjoying the little things. Always makes a difference. Now I wanted to talk about. Um, I hate this topic. But suicide. in men. Is up. And I feel like it's something that keeps happening. I feel like us dudes, we have a lot of pressure. a lot of stigmas and stereotypes and. Eagles. Someone was always trying to compare you to somebody else. If you play into all of that shit. You have unnecessary pressure on yourself. But that doesn't change or make anything better. If you know someone or you're feeling that way. Don't be afraid to reach out to someone. There's people that love you. There's people that care. And everybody's different. It's okay. To be different. I don't, I don't want to forget about the ladies. Same for you. Don't let no situation. All the way you look. Make you feel like you don't belong here? You're a woman. And women got that fire. And the Zaja. And we'll make the woman great. To me as always her confidence. And their ability to do anything they really want to live they put their mind to is crazy Now, back in the day that would've been the comment I made the give respect for the ladies, but. That's a comment for my baby girl. You can take over the word if you want to. Because you, my baby girl. So I came across something online that I feel like it's powerful words. If you know somebody or you feel like that. This will definitely help you out. I just saw a friend post about their struggle with suicide. And the quote, when the story was, I came to realize that I didn't want to die. I just wanted my life. Has I loo to end. I think that sentence is so important. Your life can always. Take a different path in a different direction. you could always reinvent yourself. If you don't like the way your life is. There's always something you can do about it. And. It's just going to take a little time, a little patience. A little acceptance. And, uh, even forced, if you have two positive mindset, like. It'll make all the difference, but my heart is with you. It's all love. Send the email. I talk to someone. There's always somebody. Available to listen. We all have dealt with anxiety. In some form. Some way or another. I've been dealing with OCD, like. I want to say like 15 years. And I feel like the techniques. That a lot of people. I able to cope with it. Can help. Someone who doesn't have it. Damn. I just wish I knew someone that can help me. Explain more of what I'm talking about. Oh yeah i do

Raaymundo

The most important episode. I feel like on my season, I gave you a different approach, when it came to mental health. now I wanted to add another one and today I got a, uh, special guests, to help me with that. Uh, and I want to, Mundo fans to give a a warm welcome. So Brianna called the wrong good up.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

I love it. That feels like a warm welcome.

Raaymundo

that's what we want to have to remove those show, the houses, how you doing today?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

I'm doing well. I'm doing well.

Raaymundo

Good, good. I want to thank you for, uh,, gain on the episode and making it happen. I know you busy, but, we found the way.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah, I'm glad we found a time to link up and we can And I'm really excited to be on today just be able to talk about what you're interested in and what I'm interested in our common interests

Raaymundo

definitely, definitely. to get things started. So my listeners, a little about yourself and, no talking about this is where you from and what you do.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

first and foremost, most importantly, I'm from the Bronx

Raaymundo

the boogie down we'll get that is New York and a house without a doubt,

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Bronx forever.

Raaymundo

New York is very, very important. Like it's the, one of the things that I'm most proud of. Don't get me wrong. If you're from Mississippi or wherever, it's

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

love everywhere. Yeah.

Raaymundo

get the different vibe,

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Little extra love.

Raaymundo

Yeah, actually love man. we had to deal with the trains in the morning and the trains and the evening, and now this is getting worse. You know, my heart is out to all those people,

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Absolutely.

Raaymundo

died right now, but yeah,

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Well, yeah. I am a tele-health therapist. I work with a company called no CD we provide telehealth services for people with obsessive compulsive disorder and anxiety disorders. And. That's what I do currently. Had a kind of long history getting here, and this is where I'm at right now. It's pretty exciting.

Raaymundo

I feel like all CDs should be more, you know, people should be more familiar with the term, but it's like something you either have a little bit of, or, you know, somebody I've expressed it on the show that I've I've, know, I've had my own issues with OCD. once I saw that was one of your specialties, I'm like, you know what? I need to talk to people that go through I call through. And it's not easy, man. a mental doubt in reassurance and compulsiveness is just this slot.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah, absolutely. It's definitely, you'll hear a lot of like, oh, do you have OCD tendencies? I have OCD tendencies or that was my OCD acting up. The way that we think about it, it very much is that like that contamination, that worrying that arranging that needing things to be arranged the same way or symmetrical looking right feeling. Right. but it's more than just those things. It's a lot of intrusive thinking, um, that you might not want to have

Raaymundo

Yeah.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

you might not want to have. It's

Raaymundo

Yeah.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Um, so there's a lot of layers to it. It's a spectrum of and behaviors, mentor, rid yourself of those fears. And a lot of what we do is psycho-education, that's the biggest, one of the biggest cornerstones of the type of treatment that we do is really educating people on what their OCD looks like and giving them the rationale as to why they've met this criteria for this.

Raaymundo

And it's as dope. I feel like once, you know, it's hard not to do something about it. helping them with knowledge and a popular word in the OCD field is reassurance and a lot of us. Yeah. And even in general, people don't like to live with uncertainty, the fear of the unknown. But imagine, feel like we're OCD, it's like crank to a thousand. Like

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

absolutely. We're human beings. We don't want to be uncertain. We don't want to, the unknown is scary. That's just with everybody. It doesn't have to be, you know, with the diagnosis, OCD on it, just general uncertainty is scary and not being able to always predict if something bad is going to happen. Not being able, feeling like you're not in control of your fate. Kind of. That's scary to people. That's scary to everybody, but you're right. People with obsessive compulsive disorder, there's this mechanism in the brain that. A little bit of reassurance. Isn't enough reassurance. There's always this running after certainty that you never can really get

Raaymundo

And there's never enough.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

us? Yeah, never enough. We can't get certainty. I can't tell you what happened. We live in a 24 hour news cycle. We saw what happened in Brooklyn yesterday, who would have that at that date, at that time, that specific thing would have happened, who could have really prevented that type of thing of happening.

Raaymundo

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like this there's only, only so much you can control, things are going to happen regardless I feel like something's boiling up, like ever since COVID I feel like this, this and this, that, and now this train thing but it's like, can't stop that from living. You letting you live a peaceful, happy life. Like, you can step out, you can wake up something can happen. life is unpredictable pretty much,

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

it is unpredictable. It's hard to, we can try to do things to make our fate go in a certain direction, but it's not a flawless system. We're not, we can't play God out here.

Raaymundo

exactly. That's a fact. That's a fact. And I think that's the thing like, we have the ability to create, but we, not, God, we can't, control everything. and one thing that usually when, when I'm dealing with mental health I'm trying to get. Like letting the universe, trust in the universe, Justin, God handle the stuff I can, but I gotta make sure I do my part. sometimes it's just those days that you just, like, you're not trying to hit enough. It's like, nothing's worked in you.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah.

Raaymundo

how long have you been in the mental, uh, mental health field?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Ben about seven years since I started working in the general mental health field. since I started working with no CD, the company that I work for now, I've been there a little bit over a year. I worked in a couple of like community mental health places. When I first started out, I did my internships in between long island and the Bronx and Westchester.

Westchester that's crazy I say

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

now I'm here on tele-health and it's a lot of fun, but I am licensed in the state of New York. I see people all over the state. I do have good population of New York city people. So we range, I know CD, you can have, um, we have licensed therapists from all over the country, so services reach as many people as possible. and us in New York, we can see as long as you were in the state of new. Physically and your therapist is licensed in the state of New York or in any state, you can see your therapist via tele health on the no CP platform.

Raaymundo

that's awesome. Especially nowadays, people don't always want to leave the house anymore, so it definitely benefits them. And then no matter where you at, no matter what you're doing, there's no excuse you can't use traffic campaign. you pretty much have access. that's the thing too it's so easy to complain, but it's so hard to like get out of that comfort zone and, really make that change, especially when you all see the, all the all is telling you is that, it wants you to make sure we'll make sure, make sure it makes sure that like, Ugh, I shut up.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

reach for certainty. Double-check more than once, more than five times, but to your point, absolutely. It's tele-health is good. but like everything has pros and cons. has pros and cons.

Raaymundo

Yeah, of course. Of course.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

the specialized treatment that people should be using for OCD therapists should be using it's extremely effective tele-health because we really get to see. Our members in their natural habitats.

Raaymundo

Um,

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

kind of like, know, creating a artificial environment in an office somewhere. And not that any of that is bad. Right. But when it comes to this type of treatment, it's really important to be able to meet the person exactly where they're at and being able to meet with them in their homes while they're on their walk, home from work while they are, um, you know, going grocery shopping, being able to implement that treatment in real life activities in the moment is really good, um, via tele-health. So it's been really effective to treat OCD and the type of treatment that we do at.

Raaymundo

Thank you for that. you don't have to go out of your environment, to get help. And that perspective is awesome. Like you just being, we know where you're most comfortable. I feel like. You give more to the dirt? I don't know. That's just my point. Like I said, you probably give more on that chin. Like, I dunno, I've been on that chair and is comfortable with that though. You know what I mean? Like, I want to tell you my whole life story about jail, but

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Absolutely. It's a different experience. It gives you the space to give your narrative for sure. Treatment that we do for OCD. really works well to be able to a person's environment and see them in their natural environments. At home there's a bunch of, you can find triggers anywhere in your life for any disorder,

Raaymundo

especially at home.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

especially at home. Yeah, exactly. There's a hundred triggers within these walls and right outside your door, a bunch more. So we're really able to reach people in that capacity via tele-health. And we really fought. We're able to foster that environment where you don't have to play a part we're using your environment because this is where you're at all the time. Your natural environment is going to be our therapy session.

Raaymundo

And I feel like that's, that should be comforting. And it feels comforting to me. Like, like, where's my pillow at is my pillow, because I know I'm trying to get out of my comfort zone, but you know, it's good to his stuff like that sometime,

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah. And sometimes your comfort zone is full of triggers in itself. So

Raaymundo

that reminds me, I mean, that's another important word. So this is the reassurance, this triggers, we haven't got to the spikes yet, but, triggers, like, I feel like it's good. So identify your triggers. Cause sometimes you just, passing by them or you keep avoiding them and you know, eventually then you have that day that you blow up. It was because you didn't identify them and face them and try to find a way to not, let, whatever it is, get you that way, get that way. So

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

yeah, absolutely correct. And the OCD world. when we work with someone, the type of treatment that we do is called ERP exposure, response prevention. And it's exactly what it sounds like. We expose you to the triggers, that you've pretty much built up in your, any environment that you've gone through. So that could be your home, your job, um, the gym, anything really, anytime, any place that you go to or any time you leave your home or step into your home, there's triggers waiting for you, especially when you have obsessive compulsive disorder. Part of what we do in exposure, response prevention is identifying what those triggers are and using the word trigger. Sometimes it feels like it's overused, but it's really important to identify

Raaymundo

I'm also gangs is like, you'll keep using that word. You use that word. I'm sorry.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

via social media. definitely something that you hear very often and it can be misused. So we always have to be really kind of conscious of how we're using these buzzwords for mental health. Right. But the OCD world, yes, we do identify your triggers a lot because it's whatever elicits anxiety or fear or distress or discomfort, or just makes you feel off

Raaymundo

Yeah.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

not right. And you experience stimulation from a trigger, when you're, when you're being triggered by something, your body automatically goes into fight or flight mode and is trying to reduce that fear, reduce that anxiety.

Raaymundo

Just want to protect you this.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah, you just want to protect yourself, your brains, you know, trying to protect your brain, sometimes your brain can be playing tricks on your brain

When your mind is playing tricks Sonya

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

and that's when OCD wait, your obsessions results in compulsion's

Raaymundo

But uh, you mentioned, uh, ERP, right? Like when I first saw what it entailed, like it freaked me out. Like, what if I, you know, what, if I'm exposed to this German, I love the germ of something. Or like, what is this I seen I'm dirty then the question. It gets wrapped up in the question and to another question, but, and I could speak from experience out of everything I've ever done is probably the most effective, treatment. Like I've tried, Missy, I tried just avoiding it and just, just using the law of attraction, like, oh, this is I'm great. I'm mentally great. when I used E ERP, I thought almost like more confident, cause like facing it like every day. And then it got to a point that I got to play with it. Like when I get the, when I can just go something that caused me distress, And like, I almost felt like I was better than I was before I realized I had those CD. so I can speak from experiences is helpful. I know your stomach is gonna tumble in the beginning. But when you were from something that don't make your stomach feel that way, and you can actually speak from a place of confidence. so I did therapy when I was like 21 and it went so well. He ended my therapy, put me on a, um, like a social, like a group setting. But then I had a big breakup. They don't, they didn't go to the group and kind of like all the things I worked for coming back. So like the way I've been dealing it from dealing with it since then is just like using the techniques I use from that I'm 35. So from that time at 21, I'm still using the techniques, but I'll be honest. I feel like I, I needed again. Like I still, because sometimes you don't want to do the, the facing, you don't want to face it. in my head I'm like, oh, it's been like 15 years already now. Should I be it's the cycle. The cycle continues.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah. Why, why keep up at it when I've already my goals?

Raaymundo

Exactly. It's always. Easy to fall back once the goals reach That.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

attractive. That's comfortable.

Raaymundo

That's called the win. You don't want to be too comfortable.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah, exactly. And that's, that's what, you know, that's what ERP is. It's about being, getting comfortable with being uncomfortable because there are, Yeah. It's a million, there's a million reasons to stay in your comfort zone and not leave. But all those reasons, just reaffirm, why you shouldn't have to, you shouldn't take a chance and life is full of chances. And sometimes you're not going to be able to avoid a chance. Sometimes it's gonna get thrown at you. And what are you going to do then if you're falling in this pattern of just avoiding, avoiding, avoiding everything that you're scared of,

Raaymundo

What you going to do when you can't say no in the first spot to show, you know what I mean?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

yup.

Raaymundo

How are you going to know how you going to handle that?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yup. It's not going to be good, man. You're not going to handle it. That's the

Raaymundo

you're not, how did this become your chosen field? Cause there's so many different, areas to specialize in the mental health field. And, I feel like this one is like challenging because some of the stuff that, you gotta deal with is like, it's, it's very out of the normal, like, since I don't know this lady, I'm just going to mention what her, her thing was. And her, she

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

first.

Raaymundo

terrified that she was going to kill her husband, terrified like that. She just, she had these thoughts. So one of the, the exposures where she had to put a knife to her husband's neck and just wait, I was like, oh my God, what the hell? But yeah, but so

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah.

Raaymundo

how did this become your number one?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

So how we kind of manifested in my career is that I was working in like non-for-profits for pretty much right out of grad school. I'm working for non-for-profits intern interning while I was in the grad school too. Um, and then I just felt like I wanted a little bit of a shift change when it came to clinical stuff. So I had gotten my license in New York state and I was like, well, what can I do with this. Um, now that I've kind of met, that next, that one milestone, what's the next step up. Um, and I just, you know, went on indeed pretty much like most people do every day And I was like jobs. but of course looking at what I'm qualified for and what I'm interested in. And I'm really, I was really interested in that, more so direct one-on-one clinical contact and I wanted to work from home cause this was like mid pandemic and I was not loving going into the office pretty, you know, heightened pandemic, like these waves. And we're still in, you know, a wave kind of, but I definitely was looking to do at home work. So I got connected with no CD and I applied. It ended up being the best decision I ever made. And I was able to really fine tune my clinical skills. What I love about OCD is that are looking for therapists that are passionate. They want to make a change. They are interested in clinical work. They're interested in doing more than just clinical work. And you're really interested in helping people. That's that's, you know, the basis of what we do at the foundation of what we do. So encourage any therapist who's listening out there to go check out no CD, the no CD app.

Raaymundo

Check it out. Check it out.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Mostly D app, whether you want to, you know, look at it as a clinician, yourself, or someone who has a loved one, or just someone who wants to learn more about OCD, go ahead and check out the no CD app. but yeah, I had applied and got the job and I, we would go through a rigorous clinical training. You become a specialist, um, in OCD. Yes. They make sure of it. And it's not just becoming a specialist. It's really putting your practice to implementing your, the theory of our practice into in-person contact practice. So we don't just. Tell you give you all the information, give you the rule book and the guidance, and then say, go do whatever. No, we make sure that our therapists know what they're talking about. They have good feedback and we are doing everything that we can to really give quality care to our members. And that's what really attracted me to OCD is that I wanted to be able to give quality care to people, and really make a impact that I can help them. I can guide them through you know, the mud and being like in the bottomless pits when it feels like that, because they can

Raaymundo

Again?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

like that. So feeling like what is normal again, and being able to redefine what normal is to

Raaymundo

Yes, that's awesome. especially when, when you're in the field of helping people, you want to be around other people that want to help people. it's dope. It seemed like the stars aligned and it worked out, I feel like having knowledge about OCD can still help you in the other areas. you know, Anxiety disorders and the uncertainty of all of these things.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

so

Raaymundo

Can I help the person that probably doesn't even have it or think they have is still just help them in general anyway. And when you seeking help mental area, very sensitive.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

I'm sensitive. to protect.

Raaymundo

you, and it seems like that's what they doing over there. Like we want genuine people, that's ready to get fully trained. And when we put you out there, like you Mr. Or Mrs. One-on-one like, you already know what to do. You know what you gotta say? So that leads me to

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah.

Raaymundo

what's your favorite thing about working there,

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

yeah, the care, the care, being able to really reach people who, not have the answers might be feeling confused, might be looking for someone else to, to help guide them. being able to specialize aside from just working for no CD, being able to say that you are an OCD specialist and you specialize in ERP treatment is a really significant tool to have in your toolbox.

Raaymundo

Um, before I, when I was early in the days, I think I bought this old CD book called, the OCD theory or bully something. There was something the perspective put in is like also these like a bully, like the message you, when you welcome the bully, of like trying to get rid of him, you get cool with him, you know, that's when you get progress. it's when I didn't even realize I, in my first season, I said, when it comes to anxiety and stress, the way I deal with it, now I ask them to come in and have a seat and have some popcorn with me and watched his movie or my dope ass life. That I'm about to happen. Even we got there real next to me.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yup. Yup. That's the energy you should have absolutely looking at it. That perspective is really important. and that's part of the psycho-education process who is looking at it, reframing the of what is my OCD to me, it's this thing that I have to live with. it's not something that I can necessarily cure because I would love if I could just, you know, wave a wand, be like everyone's mentally perfect. Right. That would be great. would be a little bit, you know, kind of and dry, but would be great if everything was just, you know, kind of easy peasy, but with OCD, you really want to be able to. Have someone who identifies what's your obsessions, what's your compulsion's. and being able to get good access to quality care, access to quality care overall is really important. And being able to, to just have an OCD specialist who can support you and guide you through that journey and understanding that these aren't weird or normal or abnormal, uncommon thoughts, we all have intrusive thoughts. Our brains do weird things. It's more common than people really think

Raaymundo

that like, this is like flowing perfectly. How come, like, how common is OCD? And like, how do you know you have it?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

So if you go to the IOC D F website, which is the international OCD foundation, the statistics currently say every one in 100,000 people. So maybe like two to 3 million people in the United States, just the United States, which would seem like. A not huge number, but keeping in mind that OCD can be misdiagnosed and it's often misrepresented and we don't, we are getting a lot better at making sure that people have that access to quality care and that, you know, proper diagnosis, that accurate diagnosis. But that doesn't mean that, misdiagnosis don't happen in the wind. So people are definitely out there who are probably, um, walking around without a diagnosis, but definitely meeting the criteria for OCD.

Raaymundo

Um, I think I went there when, in my early days, like the, like the find out what it is, and then you take that little quiz and then it's

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah.

Raaymundo

you feed this percentage. So it was good. I mean, just to kind of know, cause. Uh, especially for me, it was like so new to me, like, you're not bugging out, this is common. And then, you know, I don't like to get too deep into it. Cause again, I don't like that the reassurance, there's always somebody that's going through it worse than you where they can't even, they can't even walk outside the house. I

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

There's levels to

Raaymundo

But like, we all have that mentally in the back. they would say like right here, like the front row, in the movie theaters, but nobody wants to sit right there, right there, right in the front

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yes. Yes, absolutely.

Raaymundo

is so high.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

I'm going back to, yeah. Going back to your point about the exposure that, that you, uh, mentioned with the woman who was terrified about what if she was going to kill her husband and the exposure was putting all of that is pretty much equal. So we've all had thoughts of like going over a bridge. Right. I think of going over any bridge in New York

Raaymundo

Especially in New York city.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

There's like bridges in New York city. So I was going over the Williamsburg bridge the other day. And I remember seeing recently seeing a video. I don't know if it was the Williamsburg bridge or the Brooklyn bridge specifically. There was an accident on one of those bridges and a car was, you know, speeding like bumped crashed into the steel pillars. Right. And you see the video, obviously the video series circulates on Twitter. you think that could have been me on that highway, right. It could have been a perfect storm of circumstances where yeah, I could have been me driving on the highway. It could have been me in the car could have been me that, you know, was, was crashed with the car because the car went into the pillars and I or maybe you're driving over a bridge and you're like, what if I just cut the wheel? Like, what if I just, what if I want. What if I want to cut the wheel and just see what happens and that thought terrifies the shit out of you, right? Because you know, that's not your value. the thought itself is just so disturbing that you do above and beyond to try to get rid of it. And the same thing with the woman who, or any person who has this fear of what if I kill the person that I love most or what if I kill anyone that I love? And now you're avoiding the next thing, you know, you're avoiding cooking because you can't hold a knife anymore. Yeah. Can you sustain that forever? Is that really

Raaymundo

exactly.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

OCD will tell you that it is so it's best to just holding a knife is a small price to pay killing your husband or not driving over any bridge is a small price to pay so that you don't have the urge or the thought to cut the wheel and go into the river. It's attractive, it's comfortable. And that's how OCD. Reels you win to really do its bidding all the while. It's not to your benefit. You're isolating yourself. And OCD is exactly you're giving you're relinquishing your control of yourself over to your OCD. And while you are never going to be responsible for the thoughts that come into your head, because we all have those weird thoughts had them plenty of times, sometimes your brain does the weirdest stuff that you ever thought of people without OCD are like, eh, that was weird. Moving on. People with OCD takes control of their brain and now they need to continuously do or think something to rid themselves of that fear of that possibility of doing something.

Raaymundo

and there's never enough, no matter how much you do it, like

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah,

Raaymundo

times, I've been like hours in the mental ritual. And it's like, I had to like say, you know what? they just have some point I'm like, you know what? Like this is not making the better, you know, answering the question, trying to find out the question. if God can come down himself and be like, yo, you good, I'll still be like, what's that guy, what type of guy was that? Why would

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

OCD is going to be like, yeah, but are we, are we good? You believe that guy really. Exactly exactly. How do I know your God constant questioning? We say that OCD, number one, OCD is a disorder of over control. So it's not that you are not in control it's that you are trying to control things that are out of that capacity. And that don't really have the way you're trying to control them is not really realistic or proportionate to the fear or anxiety that you have. And is always going to demand answers. So it's always going to continuously ask 1,000,001 questions, but every time you answer that question, OCD is like, nah,

Raaymundo

Yeah. Yeah.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

keep going, keep going. We haven't found the right answer yet. So why answering OCD questions is completely counterproductive, although it's attractive and it's part of the comfort zone. It's just going back to that are comfortable. They can really be comfortable.

Raaymundo

If you don't reassure yourself, It will pay off in the future. I've done it where I've just like stood my ground, it's that one moment where you cracked back to the drawing board

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

We look at relapse as it's part of recovery. It's to think that we are always on a linear path of perfection is unrealistic. Because we can never strive to be perfect. We are a mere mortals. We are never going to be 100% perfect. So to always have to look at at, you have to reframe that regression, right? Because we can always, sometimes shit happens

Raaymundo

A narcissist out there. Like I'm perfect. Well, you talking about.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

A lot of people, same, same as I'm saying it. I'm like, I'm good, nothing wrong with me, but it's just not true. Let's be realistic. We are just human beings. We deserve every good thing that should come to us, but we are also imperfect. So striving for perfection doesn't really get us anywhere. Just makes us feel like there's more imperfections or more flaws. So we want to look at, Regressing or not relapsing relapse is part of recovery. So we always do that kind of relapse prevention and make sure people understand that you're going to make mistakes because you are a human being. And sometimes life is harder than it is right at this moment when you feel stable. So how are we going to bounce back from that? It's not about regressing. It's about, if you do have a moment that you have your OCD is flared up, or you go back to compulsion's or fall back into a pattern of compulsive behavior. We want to look at how are we going to move forward with this? This is a lesson learned. It's a marathon. It's not a sprint. Your mental health is a marathon until the day you die. So you got to keep going and sometimes you're going to stop. And sometimes you're going to take a water break you're going to just sit on the floor and cry and that's okay. going.

Raaymundo

it's like any other fight when you're trying to keep balance, right? Like, your body, your finances, if you don't keep up, the maintenance is going to find you, it's going to just like Jason, and what is it? Crank crystal.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Kam crystal. lake.

Raaymundo

pop up everywhere.

Break

Like this guy. But moving on This was an amazing first half, but you know, we gotta pay some bills. We'll be back after this quick break.

Raaymundo

How can you help someone that is dealing with OCD or, you know, or in denial about it?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

First thing is that we don't want to force anyone because forcing anyone to sometimes, you know, we see. The problem when the problem is not us, it's easy to see third party, third person. So I can be very educated and see that anyone that I love or care about maybe has these symptoms of OCD. Right. And I can encourage them or support them or whatever it is, but you can't force someone when they're not ready. So we don't ever want to, even when we're in treatment, sometimes people get scared because the treatment is scary. Just like you said, it's a lot, it's a challenge. You are facing your fears and the things that you have built up, a pattern of avoiding. So it is an unattractive thing to do. You can't force anybody just like, as a therapist, I can't force anybody. I can't tell someone to stay in treatment because I said so I can recommend that. Listen, I really think that you are capable of more than you're giving yourself credit for. Baby steps when you're ready. My door's always open, right? So we have to allow each and every one of ourselves to be able to come to the space where you acknowledge that there is something that needs to change and you want something to change, even if change is scary. And even if confronting your greatest fears is a lot scarier than just staying in a pattern of somewhat annoying or exhausting behaviors or mental patterns. So we always want to be able to really just getting the word out for education, educating people so they can make their own educated guesses or decisions and being able to get to any no CD of course, because that's my spot. But you want to be able to get a ERP trained OCD specialist. That is the treatment that you want for OCD.

Raaymundo

pretty much, if you

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah.

Raaymundo

can lead them, you can, well, if you want to show some support, as far as the OCD, if you have a little bit of knowledge, is, good to share it, were saying, you can't force anybody, but at some point, or you could do is hope that it bothers them. So go through whatever it takes to get on the other side of that. And I, getting a treatment by a licensed professional is like the best route. Like really is people love avoiding therapy. I, one

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah.

Raaymundo

I've been calling the therapist for the last, since season two, this isn't as it might be maybe season one, I don't know. But after today I'm making this promise right now I'm calling the therapist today. I'm going to make the attempt. yeah, yeah, there's so much, I don't want to say backlash, but social stigma. That's the word. When it comes to to therapy, especially, growing up. if you going to therapy, you wiling out like it's always, I'm not saying everybody like yo, but I'm just saying like in the hood therapy is like, man, like insurance don't even cover that shit like that, like

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yes, yes, yes. And that's, that is absolutely part of. What puts people off that it's unaffordable doesn't cover it. It's not accessible. And that's what we're trying to change. course, there is no perfect system. We can't strive for perfection. I would love to strive for perfection. I hope everybody does get access to quality care, but there is this social stigma, and I think we're getting better at it. I hope we're getting better at it. Especially with, you know, the boom of social media tele-health platforms, podcast, just being on here, gets the word out. And it's really important for people to hear it across all different platforms and all different spaces. Being able to get that word out it and not ends just this it's the effort to end the stigma, but it also helps people understand that it's a lot more normal than you think. And we need to be kind to ourselves as a millennial. We've lived through a lot of stuff. What just happened yesterday is, you know, a New York thing, but we are always kind of in this perpetual, state of stuff happening in New York and Rowe is affected by it because it's our home, but we've also lived through a pandemic wars, not 11, a bunch of things, many different things across our lifetimes, between different generations and not just, I'm just speaking from millennial generation. Cause I can go back to, you know, the nineties, but even before us, obviously things happen across generations and we cannot lie to ourselves that we, as human beings are impenetrable and not affected by bad stuff that happens. Sometimes we need to talk about it and sometimes we need that outlet. Right. Avoiding it just like a compulsion, not that avoidance is only a compulsion, but avoiding it is a good way to guard yourself from what you don't want to deal with. I like to think of it as we need to frame what avoidance looks like. Avoidance is always attractive, but when you build up this wall of avoidance, the other side doesn't go anywhere. It's just so piling up and you're still in front of your wall. Not facing it.

Raaymundo

That's such a good term. Like it really starts piling up. Like, and, I think it's because you don't see it, you don't think it's.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Raaymundo

Breezy.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

You don't see it, but you feel it no matter what is piling up on the other side of that wall. Yeah. You don't see it, but your feet. And you need to be able to acknowledge it. And sometimes that means talking to a licensed professional and just to it out there, everyone therapists and non therapists go to therapy, it's not just like the top. Every therapist is just like the end of the, of the line of people that go to therapy. We all have stuff to talk about. Cause we're all human beings. We are not just like any person with OCD. Any person without OCD is not in a perfect being therapists are not perfect beings either. And everybody has mental health. It's not this thing that a specific group of people is entitled to, or to having or not having, we all have it because we're human beings and we have brains. And when sometimes we need to attend to the health and our brains, just like we go to the doctor for PCP visits.

Raaymundo

So I think it's dope when your doctor goes to the doctor, your Baba has a Baba,

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Exactly. Barbers have harbored hairdressers doctors. It's a cycle. That's why, that's why people specialize in these things. So we can all help each other as a commuter.

Raaymundo

And then you can relate and I feel like the thing with mental health, I want a lot of things happen. Once you get hell with it, you want to help other people because you see you was like, you wasn't your best self and you want people to be their best selves. And they don't know about these things that you want to inform them.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Knowledge is power. So it's best to share. I mean, like I said before, it's just having this platform and being able to talk about it is really important because I don't know how wide of an audience I can reach just on my own. I love being a clinician and I love helping people with OCD because I get to see the change in real time. And I get to show people. No matter what you're fearful of. It's not a crazy thing to be fearful of. And we, we tend to, because we feel so isolated by obsessive compulsive disorder, we stay in that pattern of isolation. Like I'm the only one that's going through this. And it can really feel like that sometimes really, really isolating. And it's easy to withdraw from it. But the more that we normalize and, and educate that these things are more common and there's something to look at and, redefine what it means to you. The more we're able to reach those audiences of people who really need the help and really need to be making a call to set up an intake and get that first session to see if they have OCD or not.

Raaymundo

And a little, a little isolation is good, but a lot of isolation causes anxiety. solitary confinement. Like they never come out the same when they come out the box, like human nature, we need to socialize. I don't know nobody who drink eight cups of water, but it's important to drink of water.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

it's important to drink. Yeah. At least trying to get there for sure. But eight cups of water is the edits. I don't even know what that looks like.

Raaymundo

at least make the effort. And, um, one of my questions was, like in a nutshell, Why should people see a therapist or no CD, to get the help that they need? I've, I really feel like you answered that question, but it just, you know, I guess just.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah, no, absolutely. if you feel like you, something resonated with you today, I would highly recommend going to the no CD app or just overall Googling OCD ERP. the more information that we get out there, we help people understand that you can make a behavioral change. You can make a life change. It's scary. It's not impossible. You are worth making a life change because you're a human being and everyone, every human being is entitled to that. And you have to want it for yourself to be, to want to change. You have to want to make those changes no matter how hard it is. And struggling is sometimes struggling is comfortable. Sometimes, you know, building up that wall of isolation of avoidance is a really nice comfort zone to keep all the scary things out. But there is a world that you are missing. Outside of the avoidance and the isolation that you are worth experiencing because you're a human being and your worth,

Raaymundo

And you're

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

and you're not alone. Most importantly, you're not

Raaymundo

par three

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

We have a whole company builds for people with OCD because you are not alone.

Raaymundo

and there's people out there that even if you don't know, they have it, they have it like, and it just probably going to take for you to say that you have it for them. Even consider because honestly, speaking of that, what made me want to go to therapy more? Was that Jay Z go to therapy and JC Moffitt rabbit. I'm like JZ, you took him out the business building there, the, you know, Hova, the legend, the Marcy projects, Ambassador? Like he goes to therapy. Yeah. But like I feel like when someone that you honor or admire knows that they take the time to work on their mental health. Like it's just, cause you only see the outside, but you don't see what they're doing to keep themselves that way. I mean, don't get me wrong. Some people fake it, but some people actually out here feeling good facing the problems, getting to the root cause And just being a soldier about it.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Yeah. And I think that's another reason why people, why there is still a stigma around just going to therapy in general, whether it's for OCD or anxieties or trauma or anything that gets you in front of someone talking about your secrets or your problems is that we see people who we admire that have it all right. Especially in the age of social media, obviously everything.

Raaymundo

Well, of course.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

has it all on the gram. That's just not true. Everyone. You can have all those things that are nice and, you know, good to flaunt and people see that, they build up, we built up a narrative that this person must have it all. We are so flawed and we are human beings and we are multifaceted and it's more than just, we always are going to be toying with the good stuff that happens to us and the bad stuff that happens to us.

Raaymundo

That's that's a fact. And, there's just always a way, when you think there isn't, and like there's information out there that can help you a long way. It can make the. The whole difference in your life and people out here really trying to find a way to do it, being in your field, how good does it feel to see people improve? To go from the mud to feeling like they got the deluxe apartment in the sky?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

It's a lading, honestly, not because it's, um, I did it or of course I guided this person, but you don't go to therapy because your therapist fixes your problems. You go to therapy because your therapist has a set of skills, a special set of skills that

Skills I have acquired. For a fairly long career

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

gives you that yeah. That you could impart. We can impart on a person to take control of their life and to navigate through the mud because the mud isn't always going to be once you're out of it doesn't mean you can't get back into it. Life is always. So when things get really bad, you're able to implement those skills and those strategies that help you navigate through that. And another thing that's really important is you don't go to therapy to not feel stuff, to not feel anxious or to not feel sad or to not feel fearful. It's not to eliminate those things. That's just impossible. it'd be nice. We, I would love if we, you know, it would be nice, but we cannot do that. No one can do that. We can just give you the tools on how to navigate that and how to do it so that you feel better and more confident. Every time you face an obstacle, you're able to navigate it, take control of your life, manage your feelings, your emotions, your symptoms, and be able to learn from it. So it's not about your therapist, fixing your problems. It's about you coming to therapy and us guiding you on how to get through your problems and how to support yourself and care for yourself.

Raaymundo

I'm pretty much giving you the tools and the manual or some Ikea shit. Like all this stuff, you need to put it together. It's there, you know what I mean?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

practice.

Raaymundo

Yeah. They could put it together for you, but you, you're not going to know how to put it together. If you don't do it yourself. Like what.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

It's about making a habit out of taking better care of yourself. Defending ourselves by guarding ourselves and not letting emotions or trying to avoid emotions. Right? Those are all things that we can do, but we know that they're not feasible. We know that they're not helpful and that they don't, they just maintain and reinforce the cycle of avoidance and the cycle of thinking that we're strong by not dealing with it.

Raaymundo

It's always easier to choose. Negativity is always quicker. anything quick fixes, never never lasts like those get rich quick. If they do work in some way, they're not going to lie. And it's the same thing for everything else. Pretty much like you want to take time to build. Good habits Out of all the things that help you with your mental health has been the most effective

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

I think that what's helped me the most is working on self compassion and understanding. I am a human being too, even though I have this career, it's not, I wasn't born a therapist. I was just born a person like everybody's born in person. And just like everyone that I provide services for, I'm entitled to taking care of my mental health. So really just being self compassionate working on, you know what, today I need a break. I'm not doing my best. identifying why I need a break, trying to work on those things not defining myself just by my profession. we all have mental health. We all need to talk about stuff. So redefining that I, my life doesn't start and end at Brianna, the licensed mental health counselor from New York. It's a part of it. And it's a big part of it from the Bronx specifically. With just that, like everybody else, like every one in the Bronx, like everyone in New York city, people have problems. Some people not everyone's problems look the same, but sometimes we just need to take a step back and allow ourselves to reevaluate, identify, meditate, chill out, give ourselves a safe space, build a safe space,

Raaymundo

an important word. I came across recently and

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

reflect reflecting. It's another one of those buzz words that we're like rip blacks, right? It's hard to do. It's hard to do, but allowing yourself to giving yourself that space to yet reflect on your actions, how you can do better for yourself, how you can change for the better or what you're doing. Right. And patting yourself on the back. When you're successful, when you challenge something or when you knock down an obstacle.

Raaymundo

what role does fear play in your life?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

I feel fear every day of my life. There's always something to be scared about. And that's another part that's very useful is identifying and acknowledging that. Yeah. Just because I have this career and I help people doesn't mean that I don't struggle with similar or the same things or completely different things and acknowledging that. Yeah. I'm fearful of stuff every day. I can't tell you what I was fearful of today. Actually, I can tell you, I was fearful of this. I was like chilling in the morning, waking up and I'm like, okay, I'm going to be on a podcast today. And my partner's like, are you nervous? And I'm like, you know what? I'm scared that I'm not nervous right now. And then the time drew closer and I'm like, oh my God, I'm not, I'm just a little bit sweaty. me eat an orange. I'm like, I need some juice. We are aligned because I literally had a two minutes before.

Raaymundo

I was like, oh, oh, when you eat something, your body doesn't know that you nervous or mind me helped me out.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

And my partner calls me out on it too, because I was in there. I'm like, do you want a Tangerine? He's like, are you good? Like, but he's like, I don't think you're a little bit nervous. I'm like, no, no, no. I'm, I'm fine. I'm fine. But yes, that's what I was fearful of today. And now we met and it was awesome. I had a great time chatting with you.

Raaymundo

yeah, it was great. It was great.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

connected. I got to talk. You got to talk and you know, we were able to link up finally and I conquered my fear today and tomorrow I'll wake up and there will be a new batch of shit to deal with

Raaymundo

Yeah, exactly. And it feels, smell good. Right? When you, when you do it, like.

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Life's ongoing. What are we until it's not? So what are we going to do? but it feels really good when you identify what your fear is. You at least make the attendant. To knock it down and then when you do it's so satisfying. So this was great. Thank you for helping me get over my fear because this was awesome.

Raaymundo

No problem. Thank you for, helping me as well. Cause I'm still on the journey like this morning, I was, I was like, yo, you does this. And I was like, what do I do? I don't w what is it that I do? I mean, I just talk, right. I don't know. I always feel like when someone tells me that they were, you know, there was experiencing that, I always feel like it's like a relief for both of us. I feel like if it didn't make me nervous, but it wouldn't really be as satisfying, like after, know, or would it be worth even doing, if it didn't make you feel a little, you know, so you gotta dream big. Don't be like, oh, I wish I could make a million dollars now. Wish you can make a billion. Like, why not? Why you can't be, um, Dominican basles right, right, right. Why you can't?

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

I don't know if that's the dream, but something, a kinder Dominican basil,

Raaymundo

Oh yeah. I forgot he be wiling out. if anyone wanted to find you some information we'll even work with the, you and the team

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

check out no CD on all platforms, Instagram. Um, we have a couple of therapists on Instagram and Tik TOK and such. I am working on a, my own kind of like counseling thing. Um, but it's. To be determined, but I would say anyone that's interested in finding me or any therapist that specializes in OCD or someone you want to connect with, or just ask a couple of questions with download the no CD app, to the website, um, join our support groups. Our support groups are totally free, so you don't have to to anything. All you have to do is have like a zoom account and login and you can join a support group and maybe get information for yourself or your loved ones, or you want to, you know, just pass along the information, go to the no CD app, download it. And yeah, I hope to hear, I hope everyone that this episode touches feels like a little bit more confident that they can talk about their stuff and that it's not so isolating.

Raaymundo

I want to thank Brianna so much for being on the Raimundo show for another soul. That means so much to. It literally went how I wanted to be, and I didn't want around, but sometimes I do it all the time because that's the first time I said, don't forget it, but

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Love it. thank you so much for having me. It was a great ride. I had a lot of fun and thank you for being, you know, giving me the space and just allowing to talk about this type of stuff and New York. I love you Bronx. First, New York.

Raaymundo

I. You know what I'm saying, Brooklyn, first of course, then the Bronx and that's that? It's all loud. We from New York,

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

Absolutely. Unbeatable.

Raaymundo

It's really true. You can make it there. You can make it anywhere. I'm Dave Jabra like yo, do you know the stuff you got to deal with over there? I don't want to pack, like I said earlier, I don't want to parallel park all the time.

Yeah, but I can go on and on about this stuff. Ah, Love and hate about New York, but. Thank you again. Be good be safe god bless

brianna-calderon-you-are-not-alone-part-3

You too. Be safe. Bye.

But you'll DJ. Hit me with that. Tom for action. The final say. I know there's no DJ, but. Going Raymundo's final. Say Don't let anxiety limit the variety. Of experiences you could be having The life you want is dead ass on the other side of fear. Like a joke about cancer, your mental health is something you can't play with. Don't ignore it like a spam likely call, look into it like a microscope, find a way to cope so you can enjoy life. You deserve all the joy in the world. Just because you had a one in a trillion chance. And here we are today. Life doesn't give you situations. You can handle. But the way you handle the situation. The terms, the outcome. And the story you tell. make the decisions that make a better you more visible. What you haven't realized is that. You're a miracle. You don't need a biblical text to tell you that. But as strong as we all are, we all need help. So don't be afraid to reach out. Therapist go to school for mad long for some. It's worth all the years. Papers. And just learning. To give you the best chance to improve. So don't be shy. Give it a try. Do what you gotta do. To give your mental health, the best chance. Because if you write in the mind, Everything else would be great. You can't even get to a gray Spiritual awaken. Without a mind getting into a good place. So don't take it for granted. Give yourself a break. Forgive yourself. And show yourself. Self-compassion self-love. Take care of yourself, like you would. Your newborn, beautiful baby. Treat yourself like one. But this is another great episode. I had to do a part three, cause I love this shit so much. I don't know how many times I'm going to say it again, but I said as much as many times. As I need to. take care of yourself in each other. So next time. Peace love mundo out Out.

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